DL Sale: paydaylender.co.uk (300 GBP)

[websaway]

And you know this because ?

That's my reading of it.

 

[grantw]

So if the person selling domain names also happened to develop sites, would you agree they'd know the difference between a domain which was developable, and one which you couldn't possibly develop without losing money?

To the seller it may be undevelopable, that doesn't mean it would be to someone else.

I'm really struggling with your basic argument. If you are the registrant of a domain it is up to you how much money you ask for it, if people aren't happy with the price they don't buy the domain, if they are they do. If the sale price doesn't fit in with your valuation I guess you'll just have to live with it.

Grant

 

[Stas]

Monkey, you ranked org.uks with an unfair advantage, selling leads to a highest bidder, giving customers worst deal, you bandit lol
I'm still not paid for the paydaylender.co.uk I'll have to forward the invoice to you :lol:

 

[timter51]

That isn't the argument. Of course they can still be used. The argument is why you'd choose to spend £X,XXX on it when you can come up with something equally as good if not better for reg fee.

Ah right, I'm with ya.

 

[topcat]

I don't see anything wrong with selling exact match domains. People aren't being coerced into buying them. Whilst I may think that they're overpaying, they may not.

What is wrong, however, is marketing them as having some kind of advantage in the organic search results. I've seen some people claiming that the right domain name will increase your rankings. Bullshit.

If I was going to spend the money I would always choose brandable over EMD.

 

[DaveP]

I don't see anything wrong with selling exact match domains. People aren't being coerced into buying them. Whilst I may think that they're overpaying, they may not.

What is wrong, however, is marketing them as having some kind of advantage in the organic search results. I've seen some people claiming that the right domain name will increase your rankings. Bullshit.

If I was going to spend the money I would always choose brandable over EMD.

BOOM right there.

 

[scooter]

What is wrong, however, is marketing them as having some kind of advantage in the organic search results. I've seen some people claiming that the right domain name will increase your rankings. Bullshit.

I don't know any that now do, but that's probably because I've not been actively looking to buy a domain for a long time.


They do still hold sway with Bing and Yahoo



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[scooter]

Nothing wrong with looking past the google god and setting your sights lower.

Will it make you the google gazillions? No, but it can still bring you rewards.

I'm not a full time domainer/affiliater and never will be. So the "big boys" need not read any further but for the ones that like to dabble, read on....

I have a few sites site on page 1 of bing and yahoo. One is a me.uk, it even has a hyphen :shock:

It has been on page 1 on both engines for over 5yrs. Started off with very few sales but over the years has grown slowly and the best thing about it is it gets constant repeat customers. It's a bit like Viagra, once you get a site that sells you what you want and does it discreetly, there is no need to shop elsewhere as you are happy with what you get and with the service received.

It pays half my mortgage every month and has done so for the last 2yrs.

Bing:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=adult+...=-1&sk=&cvid=3dd62dbe28234a588c1f67fcb3d7f2f7

Yahoo
https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;...s&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-903&fp=1


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[Murray]

It now pays half my mortgage every month and has done so for the last 2yrs.
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I'm surprised

I didn't think people bought porn DVDs anymore, what with tube site and torrents

But fair play, good it still brings you in some money every month.

 

[scooter]

Still plenty of people out there that wants the material thing.
My guestimate is they are in the 35+ age bracket.

 

[bonusmedia]

Hmmm.

Monkey, the fact that you made a few million with webspam does not qualify you to make grand pronouncements on the future of domains, or to tell anyone else how to run their business. You found a loophole and exploited it. This does not mean you have superior, or indeed any, business skills.

How about instead of these constant attacks, you offer some insight into one of your current, functioning business models?

My theory is things aren't going so well and you have to resort to putting others down to massage your fairly fragile ego. As I've said before, the vitriol smacks of personal failure.

It really doesn't matter how many lambos you've got if you're not happy, does it?

 

[bonusmedia]

The clue's in his username ...

Add a www the front of it and a .co.uk to the end and you'll see one of his current functioning businesses

That's just a quotezone white label with a nice design.
By functioning I mean currently running and profitable

Monkey.co.uk was removed from Google's index quite a while back (most likely for spam, since that's his model) and that figure donated to charity hasn't changed for well over a year.

I could be wrong, but my guess is it made a few quid for a while before Google struck down upon it with great vengeance - and not much since.

 

[Retired_Member38]

Monkey is basically finished - it was never in profit. All of those charity donations came from me and my biz partners pocket, we'll never see anything back from that project now. Like the other car insurance one, its another 6 figure loss. I should probably stop talking like that, I bet Bonusmedia just made a mess all over himself reading it. You win some, lose some. I obviously lost on that one

Hmmm.

Monkey, the fact that you made a few million with webspam does not qualify you to make grand pronouncements on the future of domains, or to tell anyone else how to run their business. You found a loophole and exploited it. This does not mean you have superior, or indeed any, business skills.

You can like or dislike my posts, or you can like or dislike me personally. But its just a bit silly to question my business skills when I have a proven track record of success with affiliate sites, over and over and over again. Its inevitable that I'm going to have some stinkers mixed in there too - thats the nature of the game.

How about instead of these constant attacks, you offer some insight into one of your current, functioning business models?

Did you read the full thread before commenting? I was pretty detailed in going into what is a good functioning business model today. Build a high quality site, work on user metrics, work on repeat business, work on type in traffic, work on engagement. Forget everything that worked in 2012 and before that.

My theory is things aren't going so well and you have to resort to putting others down to massage your fairly fragile ego. As I've said before, the vitriol smacks of personal failure.

Personal failure? Now we're just getting silly :lol: Things are going just fine, I do appreciate the concern though. My income is obviously down a massive amount percentage wise.... but I fully accept I'm never going to earn £100k+ a week ever again. That was a golden period which will never be repeated.

Like I said several times, I have nothing against Edwin personally. Its just that business model fucking stinks.

Still waiting on someone to come up with a valid business model that works with those type of domains. If I can be bothered later I'll go find some non Edwin owned ones as other examples. Suppose Nokta would be a good place to start...

 

[Retired_Member38]

http://www.noktadomains.com/buydomain/10YearMortgage.co.uk

Undevelopable. Zero value. Yet for sale for $5,250.

If anyone disagrees, feel free to post a very brief outline of how you do anything with this domain and come out ahead. I don't think its possible. And its a better domain than some of the 4 or 5 word domains I mentioned earlier.

An affiliate can't rank this domain and keep it ranking. The search volume is too low, the risk too high. You'll never keep it penalty free and ranking long enough to make the investment back, never mind see any profit.

A mortgage broker or an actual lender can't buy it as there are dozens/hundreds of random phrases like this. They couldn't even justify buying and developing them all at reg fee - bear in mind Google could just see them as lander/doorway pages, which are specifically against the rules. So then they burn your main site for it. It doesn't work at a fiver a domain.... its certainly not going to work at $xxxx!

 

[bonusmedia]

Believe it or not, knowing that someone else lost a load of money does nothing for me. Perhaps you're projecting...

You certainly have a track record of spamming, and congratulations I guess on doing well out of it. Fair enough, you've had some stinkers, are you going to share any of your winners (other than payday spam?)

I'm not expecting you to, I wouldn't, but with your vast wealth you must have a few where you aren't worried about competition, right?

Your current advice seems to boil down to "listen to Matt Cutts"

I'm glad you're ok. Instead of getting wound up about other peoples' business models on Acorn, why don't you go and have a beer on the beach?

Even that gets boring, doesn't it? In my experience, past a certain point of having your needs met, money doesn't really improve life. Your shit still stinks.

 

[Retired_Member38]

You certainly have a track record of spamming, and congratulations I guess on doing well out of it. Fair enough, you've had some stinkers, are you going to share any of your winners (other than payday spam?)

I'm not going to share any no, are you?

Your current advice seems to boil down to "listen to Matt Cutts"

Not at all. I've said over and over you should pretty much assume anything he's saying is a lie, until proven otherwise.

I'm glad you're ok. Instead of getting wound up about other peoples' business models on Acorn, why don't you go and have a beer on the beach?

Good idea.

Even that gets boring, doesn't it? In my experience, past a certain point of having your needs met, money doesn't really improve life. Your shit still stinks.

If it ever gets boring, I'll go do something else. I'm not quite there yet though. I think only people who've never had any would say that money doesn't improve your life. Or I suppose you could count people at absolute extremes, were money probably ruined their life (the Geldof Kid, Amy Winehouse, etc). I'd far rather live where I wanted, work if or when I felt like it, and not have any stress or hassle. And also know that extends out to my immediate family, and their kids. So I'll be working for a bit yet

 

[bonusmedia]

I think only people who've never had any would say that money doesn't improve your life.

Ah, but I didn't say that

I agree that having the freedom to live and work where and when you please is pretty cool. Many people could achieve this simply by spending less.

Enjoy your beer.

 

[murph]

From my own point of view, the days of buying EMDs mostly stopped Oct 2012. Before then it was more of a proactive blocking exercise than part of future website creation plans for each domain. Therefore the value for these, especially in the likes of .org.uk, is worthless. I still see the SAME high value in the premium EMDs, but the risk is huge. A quality effort to dev a premium is required, no problem, but you have a 1-2-3 year risk period where your investment can be trashed by the big G. Get past that and IMO a domain like car insurance would be far more preferable to a brandable that would require additional marketing spend to make the connection between the name and the service.

 

[martin-s]

When the domains in question are 5 word emd's for one very specific product, there is no possibility of anyone but an affiliate developing it. They are completely unsuitable for end users.

I'd agree with that on very thin and niche product related domains, but there are exceptions.

For instance, I own (and plan to eventually develop) a 5 word EMD - propertyforsaleinfrance.co.uk.

I have no doubts that the 10k people searching for that phrase every month would think "here's the website I'm looking for", rather than criticise and avoid it because it's not a brand called "Zoopla" or similar.

PS. Edwin is one of the most stand-up guys on Acorn and doesn't deserve to be slated.

 

[websaway]

From my own point of view, the days of buying EMDs mostly stopped Oct 2012. Before then it was more of a proactive blocking exercise than part of future website creation plans for each domain. Therefore the value for these, especially in the likes of .org.uk, is worthless. I still see the SAME high value in the premium EMDs, but the risk is huge. A quality effort to dev a premium is required, no problem, but you have a 1-2-3 year risk period where your investment can be trashed by the big G. Get past that and IMO a domain like car insurance would be far more preferable to a brandable that would require additional marketing spend to make the connection between the name and the service.

I feel this is a very concise and intelligent perspective on the debate.