DL Sale: paydaylender.co.uk (300 GBP)

[websaway]

What lol

What is even being discussed here

Well you can't get more of an exact match domain to a comet than comet.co.uk

 

[domainseller200]

Actually Frank, although I agree with your general argument I'm not sure this is true. I think you will find that most Christians are not that pushy and would most likely pray for you.

I think you will find that you every devout Christian I have encountered has been like that so I am afraid it is true. My statement is based on my own personal experiences so what I am saying is 100% fact. I also said devout Christians not Christians.

I was brought up by a mother who was a devout evangelical christian and my best advice would be to knock this debate on the head here and now.

I speak as I find, and that is what I have found. My comparison to some of the comments in this thread in relation to my opinion of the similarities between the two was something I said to Geomal based on my own experiences, and not something I had any intention of getting into a debate about, so I am more than happy to knock that debate on the head for sure.

The fact that it does not sell comets does not mean it's not an emd. It is an emd to a comet. So therefore ( it's generic it's the general name for a comet) it's an emd and a brand. I can't see where the disagreement is. A generic emd is a perfect brand name.

Well that depends on how you interrupt what EMD actually means. For me (and many others) an EMD is an exact match for a service or product which the person expects to find once landing on the site.

If the person lands on the site and the site isn't selling the product described in the EMD (and they expected to find) then it falls into the brand category.

Orange.co.uk, Apple.co.uk, Comet.co.uk, RedSpottedHanky.com - brand

Hotels.com, Cruises.co.uk, Childcare.co.uk, CheapFlights.co.uk - EMD

Maybe because you are purely a domainer as opposed to a developer, you have a different outlook / opinion on the above, but I am very surprised that given how long you have been in the industry that you cannot see the difference and you are actually disagreeing with what I am saying.

 

[bonusmedia]

This is about the daftest, nastiest thread I've seen on Acorn.
All we need now is to bring politics into it...

 

[domainseller200]

This is about the daftest, nastiest thread I've seen on Acorn.
All we need now is to bring politics into it...

Don't forget Hitler and mums too

 

[websaway]

I think you will find that you every devout Christian I have encountered has been like that so I am afraid it is true. My statement is based on my own personal experiences so what I am saying is 100% fact. I also said devout Christians not Christians.



I speak as I find, and that is what I have found. My comparison to some of the comments in this thread in relation to my opinion of the similarities between the two was something I said to Geomal based on my own experiences, and not something I had any intention of getting into a debate about, so I am more than happy to knock that debate on the head for sure.



Well that depends on how you interrupt what EMD actually means. For me (and many others) an EMD is an exact match for a service or product which the person expects to find once landing on the site.

If the person lands on the site and the site isn't selling the product described in the EMD (and they expected to find) then it falls into the brand category.

Orange.co.uk, Apple.co.uk, Comet.co.uk, RedSpottedHanky.com - brand

Hotels.com, Cruises.co.uk, Childcare.co.uk, CheapFlights.co.uk - EMD

Maybe because you are purely a domainer as opposed to a developer, you have a different outlook / opinion on the above, but I am very surprised that given how long you have been in the industry that you cannot see the difference and you are actually disagreeing with what I am saying.

I do see your difference. I just don't agree with your definition.
Hotel.com is a brand, ( depending on your definition of brand ) and has very very easy recall.

 

[bonusmedia]

Don't forget Hitler and mums too

http://hitler.co.uk

Would you say that's a generic or a brand?

Looks like it's run by a Welshman too, typical

 

[domainseller200]

I do see your difference. I just don't agree with your definition

Would Hotels.com be a 'brand' in your opinion if no offline marketing had been done for the business ?

Hotel.com is a brand, and has very very easy recall.

Clearly not in your case as the brand is Hotels.com NOT Hotel.com

 

[tifosi]

Ok, totally confuzzled! Thought after 10yrs in this game I knew a bit. Obviously not!

I know this is quite possibly semantic but I think "what is and EMD?" is really blurring the issues here. Maybe I have a much more defined thought on what is and isn't an EMD.

IMO a domain like carinsurance.co.uk and webhosting.co.uk are not EMD's they are descriptive domains, or generics if you want to call them that.

The acid test is whether you would see this particular type of compound word either in an english dictionary or thesaurus, or at least within common language use.

An EMD is unlikely to be in either. If you prefix or suffix a descriptive domain - normally a single or compound word - with one or more adjective, adverb or even pronouns, then you get what I consider to be an EMD. e.g. cheapcarinsurance.co.uk or mycarinsurance.co.uk or carinsurancedeals.co.uk or 10yearmortgages.co.uk

EMD's as mentioned here are dead in the water, but descriptive domains will always have a value and market - essentially as also mentioned here, to the right buyer.

Yes, some people have rafts of these EMD's domains in their portfolio, and you can't polish a turd, but many will have multiple what I can descriptive domains.

Paydaylender? EMD. Descriptive domains - payday, lender.

S

 

[domainseller200]

http://hitler.co.uk

Would you say that's a generic or a brand?

Well if I was to go with this view :

Well you can't get more of an exact match domain to a comet than comet.co.uk

Then you you can't get more of an exact match domain to Hitler than Hitler.co.uk, however to be sure maybe you should email the address on the site and ask : email: adolf @ hitler .co.uk (I knew he wasn't dead really)

Looks like it's run by a Welshman too, typical

I think we just hit the full house

 

[websaway]

I think you will find that you every devout Christian I have encountered has been like that so I am afraid it is true. My statement is based on my own personal experiences so what I am saying is 100% fact. I also said devout Christians not Christians.



I speak as I find, and that is what I have found. My comparison to some of the comments in this thread in relation to my opinion of the similarities between the two was something I said to Geomal based on my own experiences, and not something I had any intention of getting into a debate about, so I am more than happy to knock that debate on the head for sure.



Well that depends on how you interrupt what EMD actually means. For me (and many others) an EMD is an exact match for a service or product which the person expects to find once landing on the site.

If the person lands on the site and the site isn't selling the product described in the EMD (and they expected to find) then it falls into the brand category.

Orange.co.uk, Apple.co.uk, Comet.co.uk, RedSpottedHanky.com - brand

Hotels.com, Cruises.co.uk, Childcare.co.uk, CheapFlights.co.uk - EMD

Maybe because you are purely a domainer as opposed to a developer, you have a different outlook / opinion on the above, but I am very surprised that given how long you have been in the industry that you cannot see the difference and you are actually disagreeing with what I am saying.

So if hotels.com is a brand as you have said in a different post and you have listed it here under emd then there is no difference or the difference is grey added to that that, hotels is a generic term, so emd generic brands already exist.

You'll be telling me next there is no god.

 

[domainseller200]

So if hotels.com is a brand as you have said in a different post and you have listed it here under emd then there is no difference or the difference is grey added to that that, hotels is a generic term, so emd generic brands already exist.

You'll be telling me next there is no god.

Can you please show me where I said in a different post where I said Hotels.com was a brand

 

[websaway]

So as people know where I am coming from.
A lot of the definitions presented on this website are by marketing and seo people.
These definitions are not cast in stone they have simply grown up around search engine obsession.

It's up to small business ( businesses that can not afford to throw someone else's money at trends and fads ) to find it's own way in the new world and my belief is the way forward for the long term is to brand their business using generic,descriptive, short, easy recall, exact match domains.

 

[websaway]

Would Hotels.com be a 'brand' in your opinion if no offline marketing had been done for the business ?



Clearly not in your case as the brand is Hotels.com NOT Hotel.com

here

 

[websaway]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_brand

I was asked to read this.

I read it and can not see where this has anything to do with a business trying to promote it's services through a domain name.

If you are a small to medium business and don't have millions to spend on promotional advertising in all it's forms, how can you possibly get better value than paying £800 for
windscreenwipers dot com
( assuming you deal in some way with this product )

There are thousands of short, descriptive, generic easy recall domains available at reasonable prices.
If people don't recommend this way forward to small business then in my opinion they are not giving best advice.

 

[domainseller200]

here

No that was me asking YOU if YOU thought hotels.com would be a 'brand' if it had done no offline advertising - hence the ' '

It is now obvious that Geomal's earlier comment

I'm not sure if you are being obtuse

was correct.

 

[websaway]

No that was me asking YOU if YOU thought hotels.com would be a 'brand' if it had done no offline advertising - hence the ' '

It is now obvious that Geomal's earlier comment



was correct.

I think you and I have exhausted our arguments and I am happy to call it a day, not on the thread, but on our differences of opinion.

 

[domainseller200]

I think you and I have exhausted our arguments and I am happy to call it a day, not on the thread, but on our differences of opinion.

Sure no worries - have a nice Sunday evening. No hard feelings either as a difference of opinions is healthy.

 

[websaway]

Sure no worries - have a nice Sunday evening. No hard feelings either as a difference of opinions is healthy.

Good stuff.

 

[retired_member34]

Rob, do you think using a domain extension - for example in a logo - weakens, strengthens or is irrelevant to efforts to build a brand.

Sean, sorry I didn't reply yesterday, I was just stepping away from the thread for a bit.

I'm not an expert at branding, it is just a subject I find interesting. To answer your question though, IMHO, I would look at it the other way round. If you feel you have to include the domain extension in the brand in some way, in the name or logo, then you are already in a weak position in terms of building recall to the brand.

Hence carinsurance.co.uk (not picking on it, it is just it has been raised several times in this thread) is in a weak position, as you have to build recall in the customers mind not just to the term "car insurance", but "carinsurance.co.uk". This is a much, much, more difficult problem.

So, it's been an interesting thread, with a few absolute great posts by some members. No more from me, I promise.

 

[scooter]

Monkey is basically finished

Are you going to do something with the .uk?
What value would you put on monkey.co.uk, now it has been trashed?





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