UK Leaves the EU - What happens next?

[websaway]

What has happened is a clear message. Britains sovereignty was not for sale. NOT FOR SALE. Not sure why some intelligent people can't empathise with this side of the argument. You can keep contacting the abused partner of a dissolved marriage and tell them how bad off they are but freedom from the relationship is more important than the economic consequences.

Britain's sovereignty was not for sale. If the vote was tomorrow more people would vote to leave. We are not an African nation, we are not for sale.

 

[Edwin]

Britain's sovereignty was not for sale. If the vote was tomorrow more people would vote to leave. We are not an African nation, we are not for sale.

Brexit poll: Five per cent of Leave voters now want to stay in the EU
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...ters-now-want-to-stay-in-the-eu-a3286381.html

Brexit research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...gret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html

 

[martin-s]

Brexit research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result

Only to stop all the whinging no doubt! (joke)

One problem though Edwin, no one is running the poll again.

 

[websaway]

Brexit poll: Five per cent of Leave voters now want to stay in the EU
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...ters-now-want-to-stay-in-the-eu-a3286381.html

Brexit research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...gret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html

Nonsense
the independent backed remain.
We all know how accurate polls are.

 

[monaghan]

Has anyone asked the remain voters if they made the wrong decision? The whole reporting seems very biased towards remain.

 

[monaghan]

If the 48% who voted are so caring about immigrants and the poor, then why has nobody even been mentioning them until now?

Imagine the impact if 48% of voters had been so caring about poor people over the last year, let alone over their lifetime!

Poor people just don't make good news stories unless you can bring them out and use them to add weight to your arguments.

 

[Edwin]

Has anyone asked the remain voters if they made the wrong decision? The whole reporting seems very biased towards remain.

Yes, of course they have. For example, the Independent poll-related article stated that 7% of Leavers would change their mind, and 3% of Remainers would (based on information gathered by the poll). It would be a pointless exercise for a professional polling organisation to only solicit one side of the argument.

 

[monaghan]

That's not in the headlines that are posted thought! I'd suggest that the great unwashed only read the headlines and therefore have no idea of the detail.

If you do the maths and deduct the 3% from the 7% then that's not much of a swing. Are there any comparisons with people changing their minds after general elections?

 

[websaway]

We want to buy your sovereignty.
What's in it for us ?
Low unemployment, low wage economy for most, low housing supply, overstretched health service and infrastructure.
But where is the attraction in that ?
Well for a small proportion of the population it will mean massive wealth, for a slightly larger proportion but still small it will mean just being wealthy with excellent employment prospects which we will fund.

So nothing in it for the masses then, the ignorant, who don't understand that sovereignty is not important in a global economy , the xenophobic nationalists ?

No, just more masses.

 

[websaway]

The economic argument is DEAD
No good going around in circles.
No good keep coming back to buy something that is simply not for sale.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Polls shmolls...we've had the only poll that matters - a referendum.

The one that leavers have been asking for for decades.

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Why can't any remainers answer the question 'why do you want to live under a totalitarian state'?
My guess is that you kid yourselves that that's not what the EU is.

 

[newguy]

This is a good read

 

[websaway]

Dominic Lawson from the Times says.

if you wanted to convulse the country with rioting on a revolutionary scale, to cause a lethal rupture between the governing class and the governed and even to provide the conditions for the rise of 21st-century fascism across Europe, here’s what you do.

After a referendum in which an unprecedented number of voters took part, and in which well over a million more people voted for change than for the status quo on our membership of the EU, you declare that the decision cannot be allowed to stand, chiefly on the grounds that the people were too stupid to know…

 

[Adam H]

Brexit poll: Five per cent of Leave voters now want to stay in the EU
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...ters-now-want-to-stay-in-the-eu-a3286381.html

Brexit research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...gret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html

Yeah there was a poll prior to the referendum that also said that Remain camp we're miles ahead, Polls are obvious representation of reality.

I have no doubt there are a few that have been scared by constant bombardment of the remainers banging that drum, some people are weak and follow what's pushed in their face on a daily basis.

I wonder where the polls are that account for all the remain voters who sat on the fence because they simply didnt understand and therefore voted for the safe bet. I can probably say that 70% of the people on my facebook friends didn't have a clue and were influence in the last couple of hours by the "safe bet"

 

[BeachLife]

The one thing I have learned from this forum is a high decree of education does not necessarily mean a high decree of intelligence.

Oh the irony. Who wants to fix this for him?

 

[newguy]

We need to get out of this "remainers" this, "leavers" that habit, as if most people in these groups can be represented by simplistic generalisations. We're not at the panto. Aside from those vocal people at the extremes of each arguement (see: this thread) millions weighed up the pros and cons and/or were torn in some ways about how to vote. There are a great many unknowns here and the full consequences, good and bad, of what happens next are both partially out of our control and will also take many years or even decades to be fully understood.

 

[Edwin]

Excellent 6 point post-brexit plan from Caroline Lucas
https://m.facebook.com/carolinelucas.page/posts/10153597964995264

(For clarity, I agree with the points within the plan itself, not necessarily her editorial comments underneath on Trident, etc.)

 

[websaway]

Anyone who suggests a second referendum, deserves the credibility they have, and I think credibility of her argument is reflected in 2000 people joining her campaign since the referendum, a mere speck in the ocean.

 

[websaway]

We need to get out of this "remainers" this, "leavers" that habit, as if most people in these groups can be represented by simplistic generalisations. We're not at the panto. Aside from those vocal people at the extremes of each arguement (see: this thread) millions weighed up the pros and cons and/or were torn in some ways about how to vote. There are a great many unknowns here and the full consequences, good and bad, of what happens next are both partially out of our control and will also take many years or even decades to be fully understood.

The fact that the stock market has not collapsed, the fact the pound has found a reasonable level, the fact that there is at least some good news developing. Is there no chance that, the people who control the markets " not the experts who make a salary predicting "may think we could be a better bet outside than inside a failing system.

 

[Edwin]

The FTSE 250 remains down 4.5%, and the pound remains close to a 31-year low against the dollar (it has categorically not "recovered")

The FTSE 100 on the other hand is actually up on brexit, which may seem superficially surprising until one realises that approx 75% of the income of the FTSE 100 listed companies is earned in currencies other than the £ and therefore it's artificially inflated by the pound's collapse.

I know the tabloids fall back on FTSE 100 as a cheap and cheerful, lazy poor man's analogue for "the markets" but scratch below the surface and things are looking pretty bad.