UK Leaves the EU - What happens next?

[Admin]

Can I ask then, what is the problem with me questioning the language that is used as a 'personal comment' in a 'public forum' 'that is for debating'?

Seems every time I say anything towards E.. another member I have you breathing down my neck either on the thread or in conversation. Whereas different members take it in their stride. I really don't get why those who question others, are being vindicated.


Had I of wrote:

You would be jumping up and down at me, as that, could well be considered a person attack.

Have a nice day

You mean vililfied I assume, not vindicated lol. Anyway, this is exactly the problem, you've written another entire post that is just whinging and now you are dragging me into it. It's boring and I've had enough of it. If I close the thread it will be because of you and websaway.

 

[gimpydog]

This survey of voter preference... was interesting.

Or was it just predictable?

'Leavers' supporting the candidate from the 'leave' camp,
'Stayers' supporting the candidate from the 'remain' camp.

Insightful, or just inciteful?

 

[gimpydog]

The Truth: Why Britain Really Joined the European Union

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[spiderspider]

Good News:

http://www.sussex.police.uk/news/no-increase-in-hate-crime-following-eu-referendum/

and......

 

[Edwin]

Don’t be misled by the FTSE 250’s post-Brexit mini-revival
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/don-t-misled-ftse-250-104444543.html

PMQs today just reinforced the notion that there will be no answers coming from the current government on anything brexit-related, nor will the current government negotiate anything regarding the UK's future position in the EU. So that guarantees that maximum uncertainty will prevail until the results of the leadership challenge are known - which now looks to be October some time.

 

[bonusmedia]

It's quite possible markets are now pricing in the idea that we will stay in the single market on something like the Norwegian model, since prominent Leavers are abandoning their stances on immigration and EU contributions

 

[Edwin]

Some interesting talk in this journalist's tweet-stream of a possible EEA- arrangement being mooted by France that would provide single market access and a cap on migration, but completely does away with "passporting". Net result would be most trade would be fine (indeed, unaffected), immigration would come under some measure of control, but financial industry would be completely and utterly devastated - basically handed wholesale to Paris and Berlin.
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/748097437047332864

Given the estimate I posted earlier of every 1,000 banking jobs costing the UK economy £100 million, that would carve a huge slice out of Government revenue... but it might still be "less bad" politically than other alternatives that would require completely free movement of people, as exists now.

 

[bonusmedia]

The troubles in Ukraine were started and are funded by the EU (mainly Germany) and the US to weaken Russia...hence the EU sanctions. Russia has stated it wants to begin trading with the UK since the referendum.



The US has 660+ military bases in foreign lands - Russia 12 (in territories that used to be part of the Soviet Union).
The US spends 54% of its annual budget on the military (9 times more than they do on education).
The US military spend is more than China, Russia, UK, Japan, Brazil, India, Saudi Arabia, Italy, Germany and France combined.
The US and EU allies are in Syria illegally - Russia are there by invitation of the sovereign nation.
I don't see any accountability from the US.

And we get told that Russia is the aggressor? What's wrong with that picture...

The UK can get the drop on the EU countries by restarting trade with Russia asap.

Have you seen how VP deals with owners of a factory that have been ripping people off?

I thought you were keeping the conspiracy theories out of the thread?

Not sure why anyone would want to spout Russian propaganda. This admiration for Putin is again aligned with the far right. Putin is the boss of a mafia state where might is right and dissent is crushed

 

[Edwin]

The government is planning to introduce a new "hate crime" bill (there's live coverage right now on BBC parliament) with various strong provisions against all aspects of hate crime. This can only be good news.

 

[VSC]

The troubles in Ukraine were started and are funded by the EU (mainly Germany) and the US to weaken Russia...hence the EU sanctions. Russia has stated it wants to begin trading with the UK since the referendum.

So it okay for Russia to invade a sovereign country because they believe they will be weakened should they join the EU?
I know that is not exactly the point of view you are expressing, but it does seem to imply it.

The US has 660+ military bases in foreign lands - Russia 12 (in territories that used to be part of the Soviet Union).
The US spends 54% of its annual budget on the military (9 times more than they do on education).
The US military spend is more than China, Russia, UK, Japan, Brazil, India, Saudi Arabia, Italy, Germany and France combined.
The US and EU allies are in Syria illegally - Russia are there by invitation of the sovereign nation.
I don't see any accountability from the US.

And we get told that Russia is the aggressor? What's wrong with that picture...

The UK can get the drop on the EU countries by restarting trade with Russia asap.

What's wrong with that picture -
Yes, both the USA and Russia are acting out of self-interest - let's not kid ourselves that either are being altruistic.
But, I cannot see Russia in a positive light as long as they continue such a repressive regime against free speech, homosexuality, and so much more, as well as their explanation that their military actions are a way of preserving their economic safety (Ukraine/Crimea).

We will have to agree to disagree on this one ...

 

[bonusmedia]

Some interesting talk in this journalist's tweet-stream of a possible EEA- arrangement being mooted by France that would provide single market access and a cap on migration, but completely does away with "passporting". Net result would be most trade would be fine (indeed, unaffected), immigration would come under some measure of control, but financial industry would be completely and utterly devastated - basically handed wholesale to Paris and Berlin.
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/748097437047332864

Given the estimate I posted earlier of every 1,000 banking jobs costing the UK economy £100 million, that would carve a huge slice out of Government revenue... but it might still be "less bad" politically than other alternatives that would require completely free movement of people, as exists now.

I think many people fail to realize that the worst excesses of the 'casino' bankers which caused the crash have very little to do with the rest of our massive financial services industry. There's not much sympathy out there for bankers and most people might not care about numbers on screens - but they will when it hits their pockets.

We've adjusted to a new status quo where the BoE prints money without consequence, mortgage rates are at historic lows and inflation doesn't hurt us. All those things can change very quickly

 

[Edwin]

I think many people fail to realize that the worst excesses of the 'casino' bankers which caused the crash have very little to do with the rest of our massive financial services industry. There's not much sympathy out there for bankers and most people might not care about numbers on screens - but they will when it hits their pockets.

We've adjusted to a new status quo where the BoE prints money without consequence, mortgage rates are at historic lows and inflation doesn't hurt us. All those things can change very quickly

Indeed. It may be that the pre-negotiation leadership race(s) plus the negotiation itself drag on for so long that the banking industry will largely have left already. It's very clear from their comments over the last few days that banks aren't planning on hanging around - their operations are very complex and it takes significant time and resources to move their base from one country to another, so they see the need to get cracking.

As such, it may be that by the time an "EEA-" type proposal is firmly on the table, there will be relatively little of the banking industry left to protect. Which will be a tragedy for the UK's long-term finances, but it would at least simplify the decision since such a deal would tick many of the other boxes that Leave seem to be after.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Don’t be misled by the FTSE 250’s post-Brexit mini-revival
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/don-t-misled-ftse-250-104444543.html

Ah ok, so believe the negative news, but don't believe the positive news? Is that it?

PMQs today just reinforced the notion that there will be no answers coming from the current government on anything brexit-related, nor will the current government negotiate anything regarding the UK's future position in the EU. So that guarantees that maximum uncertainty will prevail until the results of the leadership challenge are known - which now looks to be October some time.

Perfectly proves my point - politicians DO NOT WORK FOR US.

The Government's job is to implement the will of the people. They are refusing to do so, because it doesn't tally with what they want. Get rid of them...all of them.

 

[VSC]

The Government's job is to implement the will of the people. They are refusing to do so, because it doesn't tally with what they want. Get rid of them...all of them.

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Great song!

 

[gimpydog]

They are refusing to do so, because it doesn't tally with what they want.

Same thing with the Labour MPs.

A shocking disrespect for democracy.

But not a surprise. They only poll self-serving opinions from Twatter, The Guardian & the BBC.

 

[gimpydog]

Good News:

More good news...

Brexit vote is 'final nail in the coffin' for £18billion Hinkley Point nuclear power station plans, says energy expert


Sajid Javid: "We are all Brexiteers now."

 

[BREWSTERS]

What's wrong with that picture -
Yes, both the USA and Russia are acting out of self-interest - let's not kid ourselves that either are being altruistic.
But, I cannot see Russia in a positive light as long as they continue such a repressive regime against free speech, homosexuality, and so much more,

We have a Russian who works in our office...apparently such reports of repression are greatly exaggerated. I realise national pride may also be at work there so maybe the truth is somewhere in th emiddle.

as well as their explanation that their military actions are a way of preserving their economic safety (Ukraine/Crimea).

That's a refreshing dose of honesty isn't it? We pretend ours are against 'extremists'. All wars are for money.

As for the US...there is something deeply troubling about a nation that spends 1/9th on educating it's people, as it does on killing and controlling people of other nations.

Part of the reason I voted out is because the EU is getting closer to the US - what I know about TTIP is scandalous and would've been a disaster for us...still will be for the EU if they go along with it.

 

[VSC]

More good news ...

No one listened to those dastardly workers rights union leaders and instead voted to leave.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-stop-Tories-dismantling-workers-rights.html

 

[gimpydog]

Tim Farron: We had a referendum. I lost. Let's have another.

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[VSC]

All wars are for money.

So you are condoning a country to commit violence if you perceive them to being honest about it?
(Okay, slightly tongue in cheek).

Wars are fought for money or land, yes.

For me it is the lesser of two evils ... I perceive the Russian Federation are being more evil that the USA is in the context of our discussion.

Regarding spend ... according to this chart:
http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/how-countries-spend-their-money/
the USA spends 19.3% of it's budget on the military and 17.3% on education.
the Russian Federation, 18.7% military and 11.3% education.

So the USA would be spending more in comparison terms than the Russian Federation.