Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[TallBloke]

The argument last time around that businesses having costs forced upon them if .uk happens (for rebranding, etc) hasn’t gone away has it?

 

[Edwin]

That isn't what the board communique says though.

The board communique lacked detail. I assume that Eleanor Brady had some idea of the substance of the proposal when she commented to the news article.

 

[websaway]

I can't help notice that most of my reservations have disappeared because Nominet have adopted large chunks of the alternative proposal I put forward last year, including the revised pricing and release mechanism.

When somebody proposes "A" and you counter-propose "B" and you end up with "very far from A, pretty close to B" it's hardly surprising that it's much less objectionable.

So do you see that as an acceptible compromise, full stop, for the millions of businesses who have already built their online businesses around the co.uk
and who still stand to have to fork out millions more to rebrand, you know, all the things you were championing before the trademark issue was put to bed.

 

[Edwin]

The argument last time around that businesses having costs forced upon them if .uk happens (for rebranding, etc) hasn’t gone away has it?

It's 75% less significant when you're talking about the registration/renewal aspect.

Also, businesses with older names can get the matching .uk for £5 a year and point it at their existing .co.uk, job done. Until such a time as .co.uk goes out of fashion, there's nothing more that they need to worry about - nobody is forcing them to rebrand. At least with this version of the proposal, they get the matching domain without expensive auctions, or other interests snatching them up.

 

[foz]

Seems a really bad deal for all the people who have paid a lot of money on domainlore recently for a .co.uk, not naming any domains, but the majority of .org.uk are older.

A bad deal for folk that have drop caught these past years too.

I would lose out with create_co_uk as one example. and it's paid up to 2022 jez what was I thinking. Registrants that have renewed 10 years out haven't done well by this.

 

[Edwin]

So do you see that as an acceptible compromise, full stop, for the millions of businesses who have already built their online businesses around the co.uk
and who still stand to have to fork out millions more to rebrand, you know, all the things you were championing before the trademark issue was put to bed.

Reread my proposal. Please. Then tell me where I'm being inconsistent*

*or I'll save you the time: I'm not.

BTW, I posted at the time that we stood to lose under my proposal (we drop caught thousands of names over the last few years) as well as gain, but that it remained the fairest way of doing things for the widest number of widely-differing interest groups. It would have been HUGELY more self-serving to propose that .co.uk owners automatically get all .uk domains, but that's not what I put forward.

If you have problems with the revised proposal, be smart about it and go and pick on Nominet. I'm not the one you have to "fight"!

 

[arkvard]

Only if the .org.uk and .me.uk of the domain being drop-caught are taken. If they're still available, then it's good news for drop catchers because their brand new .co.uk will still end up older than any subsequent registration.

Most have been taken though. Just take a look at the recent high sales on domainlore.

 

[foz]

The argument last time around that businesses having costs forced upon them if .uk happens (for rebranding, etc) hasn’t gone away has it?

Nope. Not to worry they will have two domains to play around with while they get their unnecessary act together.

 

[grantw]

I got as far as the first paragraph of the board meeting communique which states:

The Board also noted the impending launch of the new gTLDs, which were anticipated to have a significant impact on the domain market.

The Board agreed that it was therefore increasingly important to ensure the ongoing relevance of the .uk portfolio.................................."

Following the failure of every new gTLD in the last 10 years to have a significant impact on .uk, any board member that genuinely believes this or uses it as an excuse to push through mammoth changes shouldn't be a board member at all!!!

Now follows at least another 6 months of significant impact on .uk caused by the people supposed to be running it.

Totally had enough of this bullsh*t!

 

[Lovekraft]

As long as it benefits Edwin, its all ok now. All the previous points he made previously, giving a good show about caring about the rights of others and small businesses are out the window now

 

[arkvard]

A bad deal for folk that have drop caught these past years too.

I would lose out with create_co_uk as one example. and it's paid up to 2022 jez what was I thinking. Registrants that have renewed 10 years out haven't done well by this.

No very bad news for many like yourself and surely now with the news today, big sales on domainlore for premium drops catches are going to not be worth nowhere near as much for the foreseeable future.

 

[monaghan]

As long as it benefits Edwin, its all ok now. All the previous points he made previously, giving a good show about caring about the rights of others and small businesses are out the window now

I don't know Edwin personally, but have had business dealings with him and he's not that shallow!

 

[Edwin]

As long as it benefits Edwin, its all ok now. All the previous points he made previously, giving a good show about caring about the rights of others and small businesses are out the window now

Take a hike. I mean, really!

I defy anyone who was at the Nominet meetings to support such ludicrous character assassination.

My whole proposal was crafted from first word to last to support as many of the rights of "others and small businesses" as was feasible, given the number of competing interests - and a lot of it in detriment to our own business position.

 

[foz]

Guys lets stay on topic, we are all better than that. Deep breaths.

 

[Lovekraft]

Take a hike. I mean, really!

I defy anyone who was at the Nominet meetings to support such ludicrous character assassination.

My whole proposal was crafted from first word to last to support as many of the rights of "others and small businesses" as was feasible, given the number of competing interests - and a lot of it in detriment to our own business position.

Now that it stands far more in YOUR favour, you just seem to have changed your tune a fair bit. Sorry that it comes across that way.

 

[Edwin]

Now that it stands far more in YOUR favour, you just seem to have changed your tune a fair bit. Sorry that it comes across that way.

I will say this one last time. Really THE LAST.

Now that it stands A HUGE AMOUNT CLOSER to my proposal, I seem to have changed my tune?!

Surprising? No. Completely normal. It's a lot closer to my proposal, after all. Anything else would be inconsistent. No tune changing of any kind. My position hasn't changed - Nominet have (for the large part) come around to it.

 

[Edwin]

Guys lets stay on topic, we are all better than that. Deep breaths.

Thanks - it's an emotive topic.

(Deep breath)

 

[websaway]

Reread my proposal. Please. Then tell me where I'm being inconsistent*

*or I'll save you the time: I'm not.

BTW, I posted at the time that we stood to lose under my proposal (we drop caught thousands of names over the last few years) as well as gain, but that it remained the fairest way of doing things for the widest number of widely-differing interest groups. It would have been HUGELY more self-serving to propose that .co.uk owners automatically get all .uk domains, but that's not what I put forward.

If you have problems with the revised proposal, be smart about it and go and pick on Nominet. I'm not the one you have to "fight"!

I'm not fighting with you, and I'm not questioning your intelligence, I'm just questioning your integrity on this issue.
I will form my opinion based on your response.

 

[Lovekraft]

I will say this one last time. Really THE LAST.

Now that it stands A HUGE AMOUNT CLOSER to my proposal, I seem to have changed my tune?!

Surprising? No. Completely normal. It's a lot closer to my proposal, after all. Anything else would be inconsistent. No tune changing of any kind. My position hasn't changed - Nominet have (for the large part) come around to it.

maybe it was a bit quick fired and ill of me to say so Edwin, it's how it has come across to me so i spoke my mind and you defended it.

 

[Edwin]

I'm not fighting with you, and I'm not questioning your intelligence, I'm just questioning your integrity on this issue.

Wow... Just wow! My back seems to be running out of free spots for people to stick a knife in.