Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[ELIFE-MZ]

Pity the one and two letter .me.uk were released first.

 

[addz123]

What exactly do they mean by "oldest current registration"? For instance if someone purchased a org.uk that was registered before the the co.uk would that count as the 'oldest' registration, or would it be based on how long the 'current owner' has owned the name?

According to this article, Eleanor Bradley says:

"The clock on registration period is reset to the date of the current registration if the domain has ever dropped before, but not if it’s been transferred between registrants, "

http://domainincite.com/13454-nominet-brings-back-second-level-uk-domains-proposal

 

[Edwin]

What exactly do they mean by "oldest current registration"? For instance if someone purchased a org.uk that was registered before the the co.uk would that count as the 'oldest' registration, or would it be based on how long the 'current owner' has owned the name?

It (surely) means the date listed in the Whois as the registration date. So if the domain was registered in 1998 and you bought it yesterday, the date for that domain is 1998. However, if it was registered in 1998, dropped yesterday and sold today, the date would be yesterday. There is no reason to treat it any other way.

(I was still typing this as the message above was being posted - confirms what I said)

 

[Skinner]

I figured we needed a visual representation...

 

[newguy]

Thanks both for your speedy answers

 

[websaway]

If you register a new co.uk name today do you have to register the me.uk and the org.uk in case the goal posts are moved in another direction.

But as far as I'm concerned without doubt sanity and confidence will now return to the secondary market.

Battles will still rage but most of the worms have been captured and put back in the box.

 

[foz]

Pity the one and two letter .me.uk were released first.

Precisely. The .me.uk and .org.uk short auctions predate the .co.uk version dates. An outcome of the auction and release process set by Nominet at the time. Totally unacceptable.

 

[Edwin]

Actually, it simplifies a few things too: if you have a marginal name that might be worth hanging onto, but only just, you can check the other extensions and if yours is the oldest that pushes in favour of renewing, but if other extensions are older (and it really is marginal) then you might as well drop it.

 

[TinkyWinky]

Wowsers this didn't take long to get to 3 pages!

Once again, why should we have to pay for something that's already been sold to us?

Secondly - goes back to my original point - why do we NEED to have this forced on us anyway?

I thought .co.uk, .org.uk and .me.uk were all doing ok.

The only people this is actually good for is Nominet.

TW

 

[Edwin]

Precisely. The .me.uk and .org.uk short auctions predate the .co.uk version dates. An outcome of the auction and release process set by Nominet at the time. Totally unacceptable.

I imagine some kind of workaround will be put in place to cover that. It is a very, very small (and unique) anomaly when compared to 10,000,000+ registrations. It doesn't negate the whole proposal, it just means they need to add a footnote to cover their one time (and never repeated) "special auction" domains.

 

[foz]

Its still a disruptive proposal. Businesses still need to cover themselves and pay for re-branding. I don't see new players obtaining a fresh new domain from this, a lot of replication will take place. For the sake of dropping ".co".

 

[Skinner]

I think future .co.uk drops just devalued like they got ebola or motaba, because if the other extentions exist, you need to secure them to value your .co.uk, so now the drop game has changed, we now search out nice names on the drop lists, check .me/org.uk and reg them where its going to end up the oldest and don't bother catching, well ain't that just a.... then when we've all spent a fortune .me/org.uk to pre-date the .co.uk drop they will decide the multiple parties can go to auction so not only have you spent a fortune speculating, you still gotta go head to head anyway.

Nominet just double dipped ya wallet for giggles.

 

[philiporchard]

Would be good for businesses in general if the .co.uk owners were given first option (they have more riding on this than anyone else).

Saying that, I can see that this is infinitely more acceptable than previously, and probably the fairest solution.

 

[GreyWing]

Nonsense proposal, these people need to leave this company before they do real damage to everything.

 

[Edwin]

Its still a disruptive proposal. Businesses still need to cover themselves and pay for re-branding. I don't see new players obtaining a fresh new domain from this, a lot of replication will take place. For the sake of dropping ".co".

But at least this time the market will be allowed to decide. In the previous version, that wasn't the case - TM interests and big businesses would have rode roughshod over the process.

The new proposal rewards those who have put their long-term faith in the UK domain space, and that's exactly as it should be.

 

[foz]

Nominet just double dipped ya wallet for giggles.

More so, £5 per year. 10,000,000 x £5 = £50 Million per annum. The CEOs bonus will be through the roof.

 

[Edwin]

Would be good for businesses in general if the .co.uk owners were given first option (they have more riding on this than anyone else).

Saying that, I can see that this is infinitely more acceptable than previously, and probably the fairest solution.

Agree 100% with both your points.

 

[TinkyWinky]

Its still a disruptive proposal. Businesses still need to cover themselves and pay for re-branding. I don't see new players obtaining a fresh new domain from this, a lot of replication will take place. For the sake of dropping ".co".

Exactly - we don't NEED a new extension.

 

[foz]

But at least this time the market will be allowed to decide. In the previous version, that wasn't the case - TM interests and big businesses would have rode roughshod over the process.

The new proposal rewards those who have put their long-term faith in the UK domain space, and that's exactly as it should be.

It's still a money making expedition, benefiting both Nominet and large Registrars. Dropping the .co is not a technical requirement, its vanity.

 

[Edwin]

It's still a money making expedition, benefiting both Nominet and large Registrars. Dropping the .co is not a technical requirement, its vanity.

It also benefits the owners of old generic names. They will be able to make use of both names, either to point at the same site, or two different sites. Or keep one, sell one. As I said, it rewards those who placed the most faith in the UK namespace (by renewing names again and again and again over the years)