Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[anthony]

The 'first come, first served' principle has been the overriding benchmark for registering .uk domain names throughout Nominet's history, and its been unquestioned by every member of this forum who has built (and benefitted) most from their portfolios on that basis. Yet when Nominet extend the principle for this situation, all the sulkers start crying it isn't a fair system now.

They're doing a very good job of rendering themselves as an irrelevant fringe group with no sense of balance or reasonable compromise! I don't see any better solution being tabled, and it speaks volumes when the pack turns on someone like Edwin for simply expressing an opinion!

 

[foz]

Will their be an application fee?

Why should a non uk addressed .co.uk Registrant lose out on a .uk solely based on there location in the world?

 

[AssetDomains]

The 'first come, first served' principle has been the overriding benchmark for registering .uk domain names throughout Nominet's history, and its been unquestioned by every member of this forum who has built (and benefitted) most from their portfolios on that basis. Yet when Nominet extend the principle for this situation, all the sulkers start crying it isn't a fair system now.

They're doing a very good job of rendering themselves as an irrelevant fringe group with no sense of balance or reasonable compromise! I don't see any better solution being tabled, and it speaks volumes when the pack turns on someone like Edwin for simply expressing an opinion!

Wouldn't a Better solution be

A. no .uk At all
B. If .uk must be introduced then they come linked permanently to the .co.uk Business choose to have their name to resolve to either.

As someone whose built a few thin sights on .org.uk's .me.uk's I've done so fully well knowing they were never the premiere domain so I cant really complain when the guy with the premiere domain gets the .uk

 

[foz]

The 'first come, first served' principle has been the overriding benchmark for registering .uk domain names throughout Nominet's history, and its been unquestioned by every member of this forum who has built (and benefitted) most from their portfolios on that basis. Yet when Nominet extend the principle for this situation, all the sulkers start crying it isn't a fair system now.

FCFS principle does not extend to the actual domain registration date.

I can be FCFS on a .co.uk that drops tomorrow. Yet will be penalised under this proposal if an .org.uk exist.

Todays top catch kneereplacement_co_uk will lose out to the .org.uk

A lot of late date drop registrations have been sold over the years, unsuspecting businesses will pay the price, not just a minority of drop catcher portfolios.

 

[foz]

These new proposals mean that many businesses who have paid a lot of money to domainers will lose the right to the .uk domain and be forced to pay a second domainer for it.

The .org.uk owner may not wish to sell the .uk at any price.

.org.uk will move across to .uk.

The .co.uk owner will be left high and dry, with their past investment in the extension now being worthless.

 

[Sam]

Its now on http://domainnamewire.com/2013/06/1...it-may-be-good-for-domainers/?fb_source=pubv1

 

[grantw]

".. while enhanced security features were desirable and should be promoted, this should not be mandatory, or restricted to one product. "

So clearly not a need any more then!

How can members thrown this complete bunch of clowns out?

TW

Now they've ditched the security angle they're only really left with the new gTLDs reason for this to go ahead, and it's not a valid reason at all in my opinion!

I have absolutely no idea whether these new proposals are good for me or not and frankly I'm beyond caring. I'm sick of the erratic and irresponsible way the board and exec have acted over these proposed changes and other things in the past. The whole thing needs scrapping and the board/exec need to go.

I'm actually quite surprised there's been no mention (yet) of government pressure/government taking over/other bad things happening if it doesn't go ahead!

Grant

 

[anthony]

...many of us have made money catching domains that other people no longer wanted and then selling them for an exponentially higher price.

These new proposals mean that many businesses who have paid a lot of money to domainers will lose the right to the .uk domain and be forced to pay a second domainer for it.

Sean, that defies logical argument mate!

 

[Retired_member41]

I know someone who has given up their holiday this year and the next few, cashed in their isa to buy domains for a new venture. All .co.uk

So someone with a .org.uk sat parked gets it, so the .co.uk owner is left with possibly 100 plus people to deal with if they want the relevant .uk?

Surely this cant happen.

The rebranding costs for businesses is not needed and nominet know people hold portfolios, so they are deliberately damaging their businesses. Cant be legal.

What will happen to the owners of ltd.uk are they just shut out or will they come up the rails and be added as front runners?

 

[foz]

The whole thing needs scrapping and the board/exec need to go.

Agreed, it would be great to restore sanity to the asylum.

 

[Nigel]

Sean, that defies logical argument mate!

I can't see that Sean's argument is illogical. Remember that .org.uk domains were never meant to be used for commercial purposes - yet there will be many .org.uk domain owners trumping the true commercial domain.

Nominet never enforced the non commercial use of .org.uk domains, but their intentions about the use and ownership of .org.uk is quite clear on the agreatplacetobe.co.uk site. Yet they now propose rewarding the commercial use of .org.uk domains.

 

[grantw]

I'd like to see the research they've done that has lead them to believe that .uk is under threat from new extensions. If they can show significant drops in registrations/renewals since the release of .co or .info for example, I'd be much more willing to believe there's an issue approaching that needs addressing.

Grant

 

[Pred]

everyone seems to be assuming it will go through or won't be hugely amended if goes through at all

there are a couple of HUGE problems not mentioned yet here, that I see with their proposals
not so much can of worms as pandoras box

I can see nominet getting hit with a classaction, theres more than a few people in this space loaded to the gills and I can't see any of them wanting this

 

[websaway]

The fact is that the uk business name space has already been sold as co.uk
I think that if Nominet really want to introduce the .uk it has to be in conjunction with co.uk owners. They cannot run side by side or in competition with each other, the only way it can be achieved is to replace co.uk with .uk and even then it will involve considerable cost to existing co.uk owners and should meet with resistance.

The current proposals mean extra registration fees alone of £50,000,000
per year and that would be to keep ones business in the position it already holds.
Add to that all the administration costs, advisory fees, signage and stationary and it all amounts to daylight robbery.

The only sure fire compromise I can see is if Nominet compensate co.uk owners for converting to .uk

 

[AssetDomains]

The fact is that the uk business name space has already been sold as co.uk
I think that if Nominet really want to introduce the .uk it has to be in conjunction with co.uk owners. They cannot run side by side or in competition with each other, the only way it can be achieved is to replace co.uk with .uk and even then it will involve considerable cost to existing co.uk owners and should meet with resistance.

The current proposals mean extra registration fees alone of £50,000,000
per year and that would be to keep ones business in the position it already holds.
Add to that all the administration costs, advisory fees, signage and stationary and it all amounts to daylight robbery.

The only sure fire compromise I can see is if Nominet compensate co.uk owners for reverting to .uk

Just give them the option to use either domain problem solved move shorter if you want to if not stick with the .co.uk as long as they can't be split no big deal problem solved and everyone can move on

 

[Brassneck]

The current proposals mean extra registration fees alone of £50,000,000
per year and that would be to keep ones business in the position it already holds.

Think that is a bit of an exaggeration. I would guess that the number would be nearer £10 million - partly because some wouldn't bother with the .uk version, partly because a lot of names exist in all three current formats (i.e. there aren't 10 million .co.uk domains), and some will give up the .co.uk version if the .uk becomes available. Remember not every name is descriptive / generic.

Stephen.

 

[addz123]

I hate referring to them Nominet when really it's just a 6 or 9 member board of people looking to make some bonuses next year.

A) Main reason for original proposal was security. Now they've scrapped that.

B) Doesn't rectify any of the issues in the first consultation with regards to whether opening up the 2nd level is a good idea, how it will cause confusion between .co.uk and .uk, and local government responses that said premium domains or those of public interest such as city.uk or education.uk should be reserved because they create too much confusion with official sites such as Sheffield.gov.uk and London.gov.uk.

C) The release mechanism is still unfair. Their own website states that 4 out of 5 people prefer choosing a .co.uk site when searching online, and that .org.uk is for charities and not for profits. If the .co.uk website is so obviously more important then it should be given preference for .uk full stop. It's not fair to base right of refusal on domain age registration alone. More weight should be given to .co.uk holders. A business that spends £10 million marketing themselves on .co.uk should be blatantly given preference over a small .org.uk domain holder. At the very least it should be auctioned off.

D) It screws over their existing customers and businesses at the 3rd level. Nominet says they will still "support" 3rd level domain holders. How f*cking nice of them, ye I'm sure they'll be actively promoting .co.uk as much as .uk when it's released.

E) Again, we have another 3 month waiting period where Nominet seamlessly promotes .co.uk names to UK businesses on their AGreatPlaceToBe website, without any warning of the fact that they're aggressively looking to release .uk. I don't see any disclosure at all on the .co.uk website about the .uk consultation, surely this is misleading consumers while selling services under false pretence.

 

[websaway]

Think that is a bit of an exaggeration. I would guess that the number would be nearer £10 million - partly because some wouldn't bother with the .uk version, partly because a lot of names exist in all three current formats (i.e. there aren't 10 million .co.uk domains), and some will give up the .co.uk version if the .uk becomes available. Remember not every name is descriptive / generic.

Stephen.

Oh right sorry, I thought if someone didn't register their .uk entitlement then someone else would eventually be allowed to register it.

 

[domainseller200]

Oh right sorry, I thought if someone didn't register their .uk entitlement then someone else would eventually be allowed to register it.

They would be allowed, but that doesn't mean they would though.

 

[Nigel]

Look at this advice - just taken from the agreatplacetobe.co.uk site:

"If your first choice is already taken

You can use the WHOIS search tool to check the availability of all .uk domain names If someone has already registered the name you want, they might be willing to sell it to you. The WHOIS tool is located on the Nominet website."
So nominet actively encourage customers to buy domains in the aftermarket. And this is still going on today. No mention of checking the registration date. No warning at all about their new proposals and the effect it might have on your investment. This site should be taken down right now. In fact it should have been taken down on 1st October 2012.

http://www.agreatplacetobe.co.uk/get-started/whats-in-a-name/