Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[websaway]

I can see your point but it also stifles development of domains at least on anything that has dropped in the last few years.

I've just had £1000 offer turned down (thankfully now) on a nice .co.uk that dropped a few months back I wanted to develop.

What happens to people who plan to develop these names It's impossible to sink any money time or effort into such a co.uk now If someone just sitting on the org.uk me.uk can come and take the premium name in a few months time.

This proposal might be slightly fairer but it still makes a mess of the UK namespace until this is all sorted.

Anyone care to estimate how long this could drag on for

If it ever happens it will be through nominet simply trading the co.uk for a .uk and slowly phasing out the co.uk, they cannot live side by side.

 

[TinkyWinky]

Years in lawsuits mate, years and years and years

Promises promises

 

[foz]

they cannot live side by side.

As it stands they will, but it won't be in harmony.

 

[GreyWing]

Promises promises

lol sorry let me clarify it could go ahead early next year but the law suits mean that the .uk space will be unsettled for years.

Nominet don't run the TM office, TM holders losing out to 15 year old .org.uk's will mean uncertainty for years.

 

[monaghan]

Some will be holding .uk's for very very very long time while the public adjust, another win for Nominet.

Double the current reg fee as well, no doubt with the .co.uk being kept for this period as well, what are they going to do with all this cash? They give away millions to the trust already, for a non-profit they simply just don't need any more cash. If we really need to fund the organisations that the trust supports, they should apply for lottery funds or government funding.

 

[Edwin]

Did anyone notice the little goodie - admittedly a side show to the main event?

As covered here http://domainincite.com/13454-nominet-brings-back-second-level-uk-domains-proposal domainers/portfolio holders who are Nominet members and tag holders would be eligible for free domain transfers.

 

[foz]

Double the current reg fee as well, no doubt with the .co.uk being kept for this period as well, what are they going to do with all this cash? They give away millions to the trust already, for a non-profit they simply just don't need any more cash. If we really need to fund the organisations that the trust supports, they should apply for lottery funds or government funding.

Bonuses and charity

While businesses will be scrambling over the upheaval.

 

[foz]

Did anyone notice the little goodie - admittedly a side show to the main event?

As covered here http://domainincite.com/13454-nominet-brings-back-second-level-uk-domains-proposal domainers/portfolio holders who are Nominet members and tag holders would be eligible for free domain transfers.

Take thousands of pounds in one hand and give a pence back in the other. Ho hum.

 

[monaghan]

Did anyone notice the little goodie - admittedly a side show to the main event?

As covered here http://domainincite.com/13454-nominet-brings-back-second-level-uk-domains-proposal domainers/portfolio holders who are Nominet members and tag holders would be eligible for free domain transfers.

Yes, it has been asked for many times and of course it allows the big registrars to not only use a well crafted item buried in the depths of the T&C's to transfer of non-renewed domains to their auction platform on expiry to taste the traffic, they can now push it into their ownership free of charge and I'm guessing automatically via a new EPP command?

 

[Edwin]

BTW, won't .uk also make the drops more valuable down the road? Assuming that .co.uk retains some decent value (which I firmly believe it will) and that .uk also takes off, there will be "interesting" names dropping in both .co.uk and .uk going forward.

 

[GreyWing]

Did anyone notice the little goodie - admittedly a side show to the main event?

As covered here http://domainincite.com/13454-nominet-brings-back-second-level-uk-domains-proposal domainers/portfolio holders who are Nominet members and tag holders would be eligible for free domain transfers.

That's not what it says though

"With this agreement, Nominet is proposing to hand over the ability to make free domain name transfers to registrars who meet standards of service and data quality. It hopes that creating an accredited option, accessible and available to all, will recognise the part every registrar can play in ensuring the .uk namespace continues to thrive. "

Sorry Edwin, they are running rings round you today. What are the conditions and costs for being accredited????

 

[Skinner]

Since most domainers only have their own details on the whois, and only provide a service to ourselves, the surely we'd meet the standards of service and data quality ?

However the addition of the "inter-registrant", I assume it would mean multiple registrants on your tag as a public facing, which may alter your service and data quality.

 

[foz]

With different levels of Registrars so will be the privileges.

As an example of what could be;

Domainer Registrar 100,000 queries of DAC per day.

Fully accredited Registrar 1,000,000 queries of DAC per day.

Folk that drop catch will see the implications.

 

[Edwin]

That's not what it says though

"With this agreement, Nominet is proposing to hand over the ability to make free domain name transfers to registrars who meet standards of service and data quality. It hopes that creating an accredited option, accessible and available to all, will recognise the part every registrar can play in ensuring the .uk namespace continues to thrive. "

Sorry Edwin, they are running rings round you today. What are the conditions and costs for being accredited????

From the article I linked to...

The company today also unveiled plans for three types of registrar: Self-Managed, Channel Partner and Accredited Channel Partner.

Self-Managed would be domainers and big corporate users that manage their own portfolios. Channel Partners would be the vanilla registrars we know today, and Accredited would have been certified as having a certain level of security and Whois quality, among other things.

Existing registrars could do nothing and become Channel Partners, or migrate to one of the other two tiers, Bradley said.

Those in the Self-Managed and Accredited tiers would get free inter-registrant transfers, she said. Accredited registrars would also be trusted to handle their own Whois verification.

Seems pretty clear-cut.

 

[websaway]

BTW, won't .uk also make the drops more valuable down the road? Assuming that .co.uk retains some decent value (which I firmly believe it will) and that .uk also takes off, there will be "interesting" names dropping in both .co.uk and .uk going forward.

I can't help but notice that most of your reservations on business disruption and additional costs to innocent businesses has now disappeared along with the dilution of preference to trademark rights.

 

[monaghan]

With different levels of Registrars so will be the privileges.

As an example of what could be;

Domainer Registrar 100,000 of DAC per day.

Fully accredited Registrar 1,000,000 of DAC per day.

Folk that drop catch will see the implications.

Except fully accredited registrars who catch and have an executive on the Nominet board and can make these suggestions

 

[Edwin]

I can't help but notice that most of your reservations on business disruption and additional costs to innocent businesses has now disappeared along with the dilution of preference to trademark rights.

I can't help notice that most of my reservations have disappeared because Nominet have adopted large chunks of the alternative proposal I put forward last year, including the revised pricing and release mechanism.

When somebody proposes "A" and you counter-propose "B" and you end up with "very far from A, pretty close to B" it's hardly surprising that it's much less objectionable.

 

[foz]

Except fully accredited registrars who catch and have an executive on the Nominet board and can make these suggestions

A win for the large Registrars Those pesky domainers will be put in there place for good.

 

[GreyWing]

Seems pretty clear-cut.

That isn't what the board communique says though.

I can't help but notice that most of your reservations on business disruption and additional costs to innocent businesses has now disappeared along with the dilution of preference to trademark rights.

That's how it looks to me too and to be honest I think it's pretty sickening.

 

[arkvard]

Seems a really bad deal for all the people who have paid a lot of money on domainlore recently for a .co.uk, not naming any domains, but the majority of .org.uk are older.