EU Referendum

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The fact that terrorism is rife all over Europe and we have no protection for our borders. Think on.

Terrorism is rife all over the world, very little in the EU, do you know how many times bomb get dropped on people outside the EU continent or how many suicide bombers happens outside the EU? You are just multiplying every situation in the EU by 10, the guys that carried out the killings are EU citizens, even if we are out of the EU, they can still come here without VISA and do whatever they want to do.

YOU ONLY STOP PEOPLE LIKE THIS WITH INTELLIGENTS, NOT BORDER CONTROL.

We do have control of our borders, non EU(with entry VISA) get checked before they enter this country and if what you meant is we cant stop EU citizen from entering the UK, you are right but that's not the same as we don't have control over our borders.

 

[Toonz]

Well if you asked an expert on a divorce and he was a divorce lawyer . Where do you think the advice would lead you.

But that's a ludicrous answer because (a) it implies that all or even most of the experts advising the abused to leave the relationship are motivated primarily by money rather than genuine concern for her/his wellbeing, when we know that they are not (Domestic violence charities? Shelters? Social workers? Mental health workers?) and (b) It sidesteps the allies/friends bit. So your analogy is deceptive and if you want to play fair you should really stop using it.

 

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I've had more enlightening arguments with toddlers

And I'm sure you've had plenty of experience.

 

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Shall we get back to discussing the referendum?

 

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But that's a ludicrous answer because (a) it implies that all or even most of the experts advising the abused to leave the relationship are motivated primarily by money rather than genuine concern for her/his wellbeing, when we know that they are not (Domestic violence charities? Shelters? Social workers? Mental health workers?) and (b) It sidesteps the allies/friends bit. So your analogy is deceptive and if you want to play fair you should really stop using it.

The analogy of an abusive marriage is that the abused is afraid to leave, often because of the fear of the unknown, and the threats of the consequences, it's similar to being institutionalised. Kind of better the devil you know. But the abuse continues.

 

[Toonz]

So how could you vote to remain in a less than totally democratic union.

Because I judge remaining to be the lesser of two evils. As it happens I think we're shafted either way - it's just that I think the person on the street is likely to be even more shafted by leaving. But I fully accept the point about insufficient accountability.

 

[Bailey]

Whatever the Outcome lets become 'reconcilers' The Day after Tomorrow Though some political Careers are definitely about to Cut-Short.

 

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Shall we get back to discussing the referendum?

Have you ever.

 

[Toonz]

The analogy of an abusive marriage is that the abused is afraid to leave, often because of the fear of the unknown, and the threats of the consequences, it's similar to being institutionalised. Kind of better the devil you know. But the abuse continues.

Yes I get that bit. I just think that there are significant differences (those I outlined) as to make the analogy misleading, but I guess we'll have to disagree on that.

 

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Because I judge remaining to be the lesser of two evils. As it happens I think we're shafted either way - it's just that I think the person on the street is likely to be even more shafted by leaving. But I fully accept the point about insufficient accountability.

My take on it is that there are some things you can change by biting the bullet , adjusting your sails and weathering the storms. There are other things that are just not acceptable to live with.

 

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Have you ever.

You have attacked me personally at least 20 times. You have called me an idiot, an imbecile, a fool. You refuse to acknowledge any point that contradicts your own. You switch the subject from sovereignty to immigration to terrorism to whatever rabid nonsense the mail has printed whenever you run out of steam. Forgive me if I get a little exasperated at times.

Whatever the Outcome lets become 'reconcilers' The Day after Tomorrow Though some political Careers are definitely about to Cut-Short - whatever the outcome

It's going to be difficult. The far right has reared its ugly head and it doesn't respond well to reconciliation

 

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Yes I get that bit. I just think that there are significant differences (those I outlined) as to make the analogy misleading, but I guess we'll have to disagree on that.

"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." –Mark Twain

God Bless.

 

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I've had more enlightening arguments with toddlers

This from the guy who said "no it didn't" because he can't counter the facts I've put up there to be knocked down.

Says a lot that you 'argue' with toddlers...can you not give them a straight answer either?

Anyway, bedtime for me, I look forward to reading tomorrow where you've proven what I've said wrong. Night chaps.

 

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This from the guy who said "no it didn't" because he can't counter the facts I've put up there to be knocked down.

Says a lot that you 'argue' with toddlers...can you not give them a straight answer either?

Anyway, bedtime for me, I look forward to reading tomorrow where you've proven what I've said wrong. Night chaps.

You stated some facts about the war (no argument there), then you leapt to saying that Germany had adopted a secret plan to take over the world by stealth (bullshit).

Your conspiracy theory on Jo Cox is really beyond the pale. You've stated that the elderly gentleman who came to her aid died years ago. This has been shown to be bullshit concocted by someone who discovered someone of the same name had died a few years ago - even the conspiracy theory sites have withdrawn it. I think this demonstrates your ability to discern fact from fiction.

 

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You have attacked me personally at least 20 times. You have called me an idiot, an imbecile, a fool. You refuse to acknowledge any point that contradicts your own. You switch the subject from sovereignty to immigration to terrorism to whatever rabid nonsense the mail has printed whenever you run out of steam. Forgive me if I get a little exasperated at times.



It's going to be difficult. The far right has reared its ugly head and it doesn't respond well to reconciliation

And it's people of your ilk that is fuelling it. Though you naturally don't see it. You can not form an undemocratic organisation and upset more than half of the electorate without causing discontent. What choice when you can not deselect the leaders.

 

[Bailey]

I'm still Predicting 55% (or even more) Remain - The trouble with us remainers, is we are the Pacifists, In this Verbal argument - How Can You Argue against the 'Speculative/Wishful realities of the Leaves

 

[Toonz]

"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." –Mark Twain.

185 pages in, I'm sure many of us are now thinking that.

 

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"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." –Mark Twain

God Bless.

That was George Carlin, not Mark Twain (apparently quotes are more often misattributed to Twain than any other source).

I would tend to agree but this debate is too important to allow you to shout everyone down

 

[Bailey]

That was George Carlin, not Mark Twain (apparently quotes are more often misattributed to Twain than any other source).

I would tend to agree but this debate is too important to allow you to shout everyone down

Blimey That's an Angry Websaway off the Proven Factual Mark twice in two pages. Hope he doesn't sell on ebay

 

[websaway]

I'm still Predicting 55% (or even more) Remain - The trouble with us remainers, is we are the Pacifists, In this Verbal argument - How Can You Argue against the 'Speculative/Wishful realities of the Leaves

Yes, good morning, after all the arguments have been put forward the democracy that we still possess is at work. Whatever the outcome, I for one will abide by the decision of the people.