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So where are we this morning. Let's be honest, the remains have won on one score. Half the population of England, who want controlled immigration, are , for the convenience of the remain campaign, formally labelled racist.
The government admits it needs to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands.
Everyone in the remain campaign admit that while we are in the EU that can't be achieved.
Where are we going to put the immigrants, swelling the population of England by numbers the size of Newcastle every year and of Birmingham every 3 years.
1,000,000 new people every three years , not including offspring.
Higher property prices , lower wages.
The average house price in the UK is now 10 times the average income.
Good luck young people when you do decide to settle down and have a family.
What percentage of young people will have to rent for the rest of their lives.
The government admits it needs to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands.
Everyone in the remain campaign admit that while we are in the EU that can't be achieved.
Where are we going to put the immigrants, swelling the population of England by numbers the size of Newcastle every year and of Birmingham every 3 years.
1,000,000 new people every three years , not including offspring.
Higher property prices , lower wages.
The average house price in the UK is now 10 times the average income.
Good luck young people when you do decide to settle down and have a family.
What percentage of young people will have to rent for the rest of their lives.
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something something Birmingham
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No.
Can't see him doing anything TBH. Keep expecting the news headlines to say he has switched to leave, but then he believes that you should be able to live where you want.
Not sure if he was ever a traveller? Can imagine him at the Battle Of The Beanfield.
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IMMIGRANTS! SOVEREIGNTY! PROPER BISCUITS!
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Whoa, the hokey-cokey, Whoa, the hokey-cokey, Knees bent, arms stretched, rah, rah, rah!
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I wonder if the young people I have listened to being interviewed who it seems are being indoctrinated in universities, understand real life.
Do they understand that when they have finished roaming Europe and want to return to the UK with their £40,000 of student debt. They have to find a job and a house at a price that is 10 times the average wage. It's ok for well heeled professors with self interest at stake to advise them to remain in an undemocratic European bloc. Some day they have to come back to the real world.
Do they understand that when they have finished roaming Europe and want to return to the UK with their £40,000 of student debt. They have to find a job and a house at a price that is 10 times the average wage. It's ok for well heeled professors with self interest at stake to advise them to remain in an undemocratic European bloc. Some day they have to come back to the real world.
I hear the remains, when they get stuck for argument they blame the government. Do they understand that our children and their children will not be able to blame their government, they will effectively be governed by Brussels, Oh we'll still have a parliament but that parliament will just be a representative of the people to report to Brussels. After voting remain we will depend on the new laws and regulations gradually eroding our sovereignty which are introduced by the European bloc that we will be subject to.
Cameron says there is no way back if we leave.
There is no way back if we vote to remain.
Where is our Bulldog spirit.
Cameron says there is no way back if we leave.
There is no way back if we vote to remain.
Where is our Bulldog spirit.
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But isn't that democracy at work?
Philip Hollobone (Con) has voted 237 times against his party since 2010 ... so is he "full of hate, etc etc"
Indeed, the top 10 MPs to vote against their party since 2010 have been Conservatives ...
Whether you agree or not with what they voted against, it is democracy at work.
If you don't like the way your MP votes, you can vote him out at the next election.
Corbyn has been a sitting MP since 1982, so obviously his electorate like the way he votes.
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Not specifically an EU issue, BUT, the "strain" on the NHS, Schools, etc is being used by the leave campaign as reasons to reduce immigration ... while a major reason is continual underfunding ... and perhaps as you say the Conservatives desire to privatise everything ...
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No, it's simply that in several cases the cause of the issue/s that the leave campaign is pointing out has been created inhouse and very little to do with the EU or immigration.
There are many reasons that we have a housing shortage ...
Allowing social housing to be bought by their tenants.
The growth in holiday homes (several councils have actually passed laws to try to stop this happening), which also has a knock on effect off-season of creating ghost towns.
Wages not going up in line with house prices.
More here:
http://www.economicsonline.co.uk/Competitive_markets/House_prices.html
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@websaway,
I think you need to stick to your debate for Leave and stop all these other statements about Government, Blair, Corbyn etc, because as much as you make good point for Leave you also make rubbish comments about every other thing else.
Like I said to you in my previous post keep this argument to IN or OUT and stop bringing government policies that has nothing to do with IN or OUT.
Look at your recent statements about Corbyn, he is full of hate, he hate Blair, he hate Monarch and he hate capitalism, did you speak with him and he told you that he hate all these. You sat in front of your TV and PC and you make up your opinion on people. I cannot remember him saying he hate anybody talk less of the ones above. Not liking or not agreeing with people or a thing does not mean hate.
Making a 'thing' out of Corbyn voting against the government is what is wrong with our democracy, you have a parliament that we elect our MPs to serve us, still they can’t vote freely, they have to go with the WHIP which is appointed by the leader of the party who happen to be appointed by his party members and he only get to be PM because his party won more MP than the others, which means we now have a leader we did not vote for, who appoint a WHIP to make sure that every other MPs support his policies and when they don’t, they are called rebels. If you don’t notice, we have the likes of Jeremy Corbyn on both sides and that’s politics.
You are able to tell us that Corbyn voted 500 times against his government, are you able to tell us how many times did he voted for the government policies or that does not matter since it does not fit into your smear campaign on Corbyn.
How can he hate capitalism, you are so wrong on this one, did he told you this too? He has a different opinion to the current capitalism so is many people and there is nothing wrong in that. He does not have to be right but the current one we have now is what is creating the same issues you mentioned above, poverty, student loans, the disabled etc. If Corbyn has not won the Labour party leadership, the previous opposition are already following the government line of Austerity, it was Corbyn that makes the government to have a U-turn on cuts including welfare cuts, that’s not hate that somebody looking after less fortunate.
If you speak with people in the city, they will tell you that some of Corbyn’s ideas were spot on, the city don’t turn against current government, they just follow the line, if they are allowed to, they will have said the same thing, that you can’t grow an economy by borrowing to funds cut.
Another lie from Cameron, is that Labour borrow too much, that’s a total lie, labour borrow in the last two years of their government because the global economy belly up, not in their whole 13 years of government, in fact they borrow less in that period per GDP than any other period of any government.
While we are still talk about borrowing, this government led by Cameron doubled our debt of 100 years in their first five years in government, now that’s borrowing on steroid but Cameron still have the gut to say the last government borrowed too much, he can say that because people like you just follow the sound bites and not the fact, people like you pick the bit that suits them. Off cause you are going to tell me that the austerity measures are necessary and I will reply ‘rubbish’.
Go and do your own research on government borrowing and see who borrowed the most in the last 70 years, if you care about the truth or just want to keep spinning the spin, you will find out Conservatives always borrow more than Labour but the news is always Labour borrow too much so we can’t trust them on economy.
There is no way anyone who is in disagreement with Blair or Cameron to be seen laughing with him, these guys have taken us to wars that is still a problem for the world today and Cameron is still hurting the poor.
look at Libya, the best economy in Africa, employing over 3 Million ( half of Libya population) foreign workers, hardly any poverty, better welfare system that the UK, better life expectancy than the UK, look at what Cameron has turn the place to under the pretense of democracy and you think it’s best to be seen having a joke in public with a guy like that? You don’t have to hate Cameron but there is nothing to like either.
Cameron said how he will help the poor, but cut welfare and introduce bedroom tax, Cameron said how will hell NHS, he appoint a MP that co-author a book on privatisation of the NHS and an advocate of NHS privatisation. Your guy Cameron said I will help the pensioners, he removed fuel subsidies, your guy said I will help the poor to go to university, he increase fees to £9000 and yet they are about to increase that again.
You should direct your hanger to Cameron and not Corbyn, I don’t believe he has an ounce of hate in him, at least you can’t accuse him of milking the system, and milking the system is what a lot of the MPs are doing including conservative’s lots.
Actually you should be worshiping Corbyn if you have genuine concern for the poor like you stated because he is the one that is forcing the government to make changes not Cameron.
Why can’t an MP be allowed to vote against government policies they do not agree with, why? I am sure a lot of the conservatives MP that voted for the disable cuts don’t agree with it but have to vote for it because they are following the WHIP.
If it was not for people like Corbyn we might still have issue with the IRA, they have sing for decades that you need to talk with your enemy to resolve the issues but because we have bigger guns than them we thing we can talk down on them and force them on their kneels and bomb our way to victory. We bomb Afghanistan for 14 years now we are looking to talk to the Taliban, people like Corbyn knows we have bigger fire power than these guys, which means we can keep it as our absolute last option but people like Cameron thinks we can go and bomb ( while making money for the defense industries) the hell out of people and take victory. We have ruin lives and you are here stating people that vote against war, people that have little or no ounce of violence in them are the one that are full of hate.
please don’t go around and accuse people like Corbyn of hate, I can agree with you on some of your points but this one you need to stop making statements that are totally false.
Also your argument on sovereignty is becoming boring as well but I wont expand on this one but if you want I will.
You talk rubbish about immigration increasing the population the size of Newcastle every year, you stated this countless of times now, and the word 'infinitum' may times now, is the UK population growing at 300k every year in the last 20 years. NO, will it grow at this rate for the next 20 years. don't think so either.
If the conservatives have not come up with policy to sell social housing and stop more social housing from been build, we wont be in the situation we are in and yes, there are space to build more housing, schools, hospitals roads to accommodate the 300k per year. Go and do your own research about the % of built up areas in the UK.
The next policy that will destroy the poorer part of the UK is coming to force very soon, when all the council are now allowed to keep all their revenues, places like London will now have more money and poorer cities will start becoming sh*t hole very soon. Please don't blame Labour or Corbyn for this, its the conservatives that you voted for that come up with silly policies like this.
You are the one that keep blaming the government and every one that supports remain campaign, did you read your previous statements, and are those not blaming government?
Also just to let you know some of your statements are racist, there is nothing like “WHITE BRITAIN” and that is a racist comment; if you think it not go ask your neighbour who is not white what he thinks about preserving WHITE BRITAIN.
Please explain to me what is “Bulldog spirit”? and don't come back with Daily Mail cr*p.
I think you need to stick to your debate for Leave and stop all these other statements about Government, Blair, Corbyn etc, because as much as you make good point for Leave you also make rubbish comments about every other thing else.
Like I said to you in my previous post keep this argument to IN or OUT and stop bringing government policies that has nothing to do with IN or OUT.
Look at your recent statements about Corbyn, he is full of hate, he hate Blair, he hate Monarch and he hate capitalism, did you speak with him and he told you that he hate all these. You sat in front of your TV and PC and you make up your opinion on people. I cannot remember him saying he hate anybody talk less of the ones above. Not liking or not agreeing with people or a thing does not mean hate.
Making a 'thing' out of Corbyn voting against the government is what is wrong with our democracy, you have a parliament that we elect our MPs to serve us, still they can’t vote freely, they have to go with the WHIP which is appointed by the leader of the party who happen to be appointed by his party members and he only get to be PM because his party won more MP than the others, which means we now have a leader we did not vote for, who appoint a WHIP to make sure that every other MPs support his policies and when they don’t, they are called rebels. If you don’t notice, we have the likes of Jeremy Corbyn on both sides and that’s politics.
You are able to tell us that Corbyn voted 500 times against his government, are you able to tell us how many times did he voted for the government policies or that does not matter since it does not fit into your smear campaign on Corbyn.
How can he hate capitalism, you are so wrong on this one, did he told you this too? He has a different opinion to the current capitalism so is many people and there is nothing wrong in that. He does not have to be right but the current one we have now is what is creating the same issues you mentioned above, poverty, student loans, the disabled etc. If Corbyn has not won the Labour party leadership, the previous opposition are already following the government line of Austerity, it was Corbyn that makes the government to have a U-turn on cuts including welfare cuts, that’s not hate that somebody looking after less fortunate.
If you speak with people in the city, they will tell you that some of Corbyn’s ideas were spot on, the city don’t turn against current government, they just follow the line, if they are allowed to, they will have said the same thing, that you can’t grow an economy by borrowing to funds cut.
Another lie from Cameron, is that Labour borrow too much, that’s a total lie, labour borrow in the last two years of their government because the global economy belly up, not in their whole 13 years of government, in fact they borrow less in that period per GDP than any other period of any government.
While we are still talk about borrowing, this government led by Cameron doubled our debt of 100 years in their first five years in government, now that’s borrowing on steroid but Cameron still have the gut to say the last government borrowed too much, he can say that because people like you just follow the sound bites and not the fact, people like you pick the bit that suits them. Off cause you are going to tell me that the austerity measures are necessary and I will reply ‘rubbish’.
Go and do your own research on government borrowing and see who borrowed the most in the last 70 years, if you care about the truth or just want to keep spinning the spin, you will find out Conservatives always borrow more than Labour but the news is always Labour borrow too much so we can’t trust them on economy.
There is no way anyone who is in disagreement with Blair or Cameron to be seen laughing with him, these guys have taken us to wars that is still a problem for the world today and Cameron is still hurting the poor.
look at Libya, the best economy in Africa, employing over 3 Million ( half of Libya population) foreign workers, hardly any poverty, better welfare system that the UK, better life expectancy than the UK, look at what Cameron has turn the place to under the pretense of democracy and you think it’s best to be seen having a joke in public with a guy like that? You don’t have to hate Cameron but there is nothing to like either.
Cameron said how he will help the poor, but cut welfare and introduce bedroom tax, Cameron said how will hell NHS, he appoint a MP that co-author a book on privatisation of the NHS and an advocate of NHS privatisation. Your guy Cameron said I will help the pensioners, he removed fuel subsidies, your guy said I will help the poor to go to university, he increase fees to £9000 and yet they are about to increase that again.
You should direct your hanger to Cameron and not Corbyn, I don’t believe he has an ounce of hate in him, at least you can’t accuse him of milking the system, and milking the system is what a lot of the MPs are doing including conservative’s lots.
Actually you should be worshiping Corbyn if you have genuine concern for the poor like you stated because he is the one that is forcing the government to make changes not Cameron.
Why can’t an MP be allowed to vote against government policies they do not agree with, why? I am sure a lot of the conservatives MP that voted for the disable cuts don’t agree with it but have to vote for it because they are following the WHIP.
If it was not for people like Corbyn we might still have issue with the IRA, they have sing for decades that you need to talk with your enemy to resolve the issues but because we have bigger guns than them we thing we can talk down on them and force them on their kneels and bomb our way to victory. We bomb Afghanistan for 14 years now we are looking to talk to the Taliban, people like Corbyn knows we have bigger fire power than these guys, which means we can keep it as our absolute last option but people like Cameron thinks we can go and bomb ( while making money for the defense industries) the hell out of people and take victory. We have ruin lives and you are here stating people that vote against war, people that have little or no ounce of violence in them are the one that are full of hate.
please don’t go around and accuse people like Corbyn of hate, I can agree with you on some of your points but this one you need to stop making statements that are totally false.
Also your argument on sovereignty is becoming boring as well but I wont expand on this one but if you want I will.
You talk rubbish about immigration increasing the population the size of Newcastle every year, you stated this countless of times now, and the word 'infinitum' may times now, is the UK population growing at 300k every year in the last 20 years. NO, will it grow at this rate for the next 20 years. don't think so either.
If the conservatives have not come up with policy to sell social housing and stop more social housing from been build, we wont be in the situation we are in and yes, there are space to build more housing, schools, hospitals roads to accommodate the 300k per year. Go and do your own research about the % of built up areas in the UK.
The next policy that will destroy the poorer part of the UK is coming to force very soon, when all the council are now allowed to keep all their revenues, places like London will now have more money and poorer cities will start becoming sh*t hole very soon. Please don't blame Labour or Corbyn for this, its the conservatives that you voted for that come up with silly policies like this.
You are the one that keep blaming the government and every one that supports remain campaign, did you read your previous statements, and are those not blaming government?
Also just to let you know some of your statements are racist, there is nothing like “WHITE BRITAIN” and that is a racist comment; if you think it not go ask your neighbour who is not white what he thinks about preserving WHITE BRITAIN.
Please explain to me what is “Bulldog spirit”? and don't come back with Daily Mail cr*p.
That's nice of you to say it and I'm sure you fell moral superiority over the rest of us, just not sure why you are saying it as it's totally irrelevant.
What is relevant is the direct question I asked, what is going to stop the migrants coming to the UK?
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I don't think there is one, the media channels are trying to spin things at the moment.
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Poll of Poll has both sides at 44% today according to FT:
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
Also has historical day by day polling info
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