EU Referendum

[BREWSTERS]

... something that I do not believe I have seen debated on this thread is the fact that the UK is spending less as a proportion of GDP on the NHS each year.
Greece spends more as a percentage of GDP on health than the UK does!


... and with Education, overall GDP has hardly changed since the 1970's with spending not increasing with pupil numbers.

The NHS is being systematically run down and starved of funding to make the transition to private corporations an easier sell. No one can doubt that with the introduction of PFI's money is being drawn away from services to private companies who's main role is to make profit.

I don't see that in itself as being an EU issue...though when TTIP gets signed off it will be. Which is a worry.

 

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John Oliver's take - the song at the end is particularly good:

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[spiderspider]

John Oliver's take - the song at the end is particularly good:

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Normally, HBO block UK from accessing and Late Night Tonight vids, saying that the publisher doesn't allow it in your country. Strange they've allowed this one through

In normal JO style, he picks clips of stuff that happened years ago, and has been dealt with. Take that women in Kent,what has she got to do with the referendum? Also just throws an insult at Boris, and rips Gove, no mention of 'Vote Leave' or the fact that 'Big Dave's' amendments have yet to be ratified.....

Maybe its because he now lives in America.

I do agree with one thing though........ F**k the European Union.

 

[Mark84]

The British economy has started to grow again makes it an attractive people for to come

So the only thing that will ever stop them coming is when our country is as big a **** tip as the one they just come from, with as fewer opportunities for our own.

Jeeez

 

[Mark84]

Perhaps you should focus your vitriol towards the people born in this Country who don't take the opportunities they're given, complain about the ones they miss, and try to take as much as they can without contributing anything to society - I'm sure they put a great deal more strain on our economy than the immigrants.

What makes you think I'm blaming immigrants? I haven't said a bad word against them, or blamed them for anything.

The point which was clearly made was that without controls they will only stop coming when this place balances out the lack of opportunities that are available in their own countries.

It's a very factual point, what else will stop them coming? We are on our way to 80m people, 90m people, 100m people. At what point other than turning this place into an equally balanced sht tip in the future will it stop in your opinion?

 

[BREWSTERS]

The event is material - and so is the outcome of the event.

Whether the event happened according to the official line is debatable. I don't believe it did. What makes you certain it did?

No answer?

 

[websaway]

You say that like no Brits move abroad for work & study.
We are very lucky to live in this Country, we have lots of opportunities.

Perhaps you should focus your vitriol towards the people born in this Country who don't take the opportunities they're given, complain about the ones they miss, and try to take as much as they can without contributing anything to society - I'm sure they put a great deal more strain on our economy than the immigrants.

There is no vitriol in his comments. Is this the new race card. Anything one says to protect your countries position, however you want that to be is classed as being vitriolic.

 

[websaway]

Did anyone watch Jeremy Corbyns love in last night. I thought he was going to end with a rendition of" we shall overcome". If anyone's being fooled with his agenda , don't be. He voted against his own government on 500 occasions, you can not do that unless you are full of hate. He hates Blair, he hates the monarchy and he hates capitalism. He is a Marxist who sees staying in Europe as a way to spread his Marxist socialism throughout Europe. He has lost that battle in Britain and wants another shot at it. He says he is going to reform the EU. It's only a few months ago when he was derided in the commons for saying he went to Brussels and the Tories shouted, they said "who are you". What have we come to as a nation, when the establishment use this little non entity of a man to promote it's cause. Can anyone seriously see him reforming the undemocratic bloc we know as the EU. Incidentally lets cut out this rubbish about politicians going for a new form of friendly politics. Friday will see it return to normal, the law of the jungle, eat or be eaten.

 

[websaway]

If you are in an abusive marriage . Do you sort the economics out before you leave.

 

[websaway]

So where are we this morning. Let's be honest, the remains have won on one score. Half the population of England, who want controlled immigration, are , for the convenience of the remain campaign, formally labelled racist.

The government admits it needs to reduce immigration to 10's of thousands.
Everyone in the remain campaign admit that while we are in the EU that can't be achieved.
Where are we going to put the immigrants, swelling the population of England by numbers the size of Newcastle every year and of Birmingham every 3 years.
1,000,000 new people every three years , not including offspring.
Higher property prices , lower wages.
The average house price in the UK is now 10 times the average income.
Good luck young people when you do decide to settle down and have a family.
What percentage of young people will have to rent for the rest of their lives.

 

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*yawn

 

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something something Birmingham

 

[spiderspider]

Can anyone seriously see him reforming the undemocratic bloc we know as the EU

No.

Can't see him doing anything TBH. Keep expecting the news headlines to say he has switched to leave, but then he believes that you should be able to live where you want.

Not sure if he was ever a traveller? Can imagine him at the Battle Of The Beanfield.

 

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IMMIGRANTS! SOVEREIGNTY! PROPER BISCUITS!

 

[spiderspider]

Whoa, the hokey-cokey, Whoa, the hokey-cokey, Knees bent, arms stretched, rah, rah, rah!

 

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[websaway]

I wonder if the young people I have listened to being interviewed who it seems are being indoctrinated in universities, understand real life.
Do they understand that when they have finished roaming Europe and want to return to the UK with their £40,000 of student debt. They have to find a job and a house at a price that is 10 times the average wage. It's ok for well heeled professors with self interest at stake to advise them to remain in an undemocratic European bloc. Some day they have to come back to the real world.

 

[websaway]

I hear the remains, when they get stuck for argument they blame the government. Do they understand that our children and their children will not be able to blame their government, they will effectively be governed by Brussels, Oh we'll still have a parliament but that parliament will just be a representative of the people to report to Brussels. After voting remain we will depend on the new laws and regulations gradually eroding our sovereignty which are introduced by the European bloc that we will be subject to.
Cameron says there is no way back if we leave.
There is no way back if we vote to remain.

Where is our Bulldog spirit.

 

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[VSC]

Did anyone watch Jeremy Corbyns love in last night. I thought he was going to end with a rendition of" we shall overcome". If anyone's being fooled with his agenda , don't be. He voted against his own government on 500 occasions, you can not do that unless you are full of hate.

But isn't that democracy at work?
Philip Hollobone (Con) has voted 237 times against his party since 2010 ... so is he "full of hate, etc etc"
Indeed, the top 10 MPs to vote against their party since 2010 have been Conservatives ...

Whether you agree or not with what they voted against, it is democracy at work.

If you don't like the way your MP votes, you can vote him out at the next election.

Corbyn has been a sitting MP since 1982, so obviously his electorate like the way he votes.