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Labour MP Jo Cox just just been shot . No additional info so far.
The Independent is reporting her as being stabbed too.
How terrible
Labour MP Jo Cox just just been shot . No additional info so far.
Sad, sad news.
Could I please make a plea against speculation. I'm sure more details will be forthcoming soon.
Damn!! And I was so hoping you would answer my question from this morning.Both campaigns have suspended their campaigning for the rest of the day. The least I can do is join them, so no more from me on the referendum today.
Holly shit Sky news has just reported she died tragic
Not a bad idea. We were never healthier than under rationing, and if we go back to spending a third of our income on food we'll probably appreciate it more
Also if we reduce the number of immigrants we could give more British people good honest back-breaking work in the fields for agricultural minimum wage, that will keep people fit
DreadfulHolly shit Sky news has just reported she died tragic
Really?
Do you really not see the difference between these words and describing immigrants as a horde/swarm?
I don't think you're really that unintelligent.
Just in case, let me give you an example - if I describe you as a silly old goat, that's one thing. If I describe you and your kind as scuttling cockroaches infesting the kitchen of humanity, that's another. Do you see the subtle difference?
If not you'd better learn it before you get to the care home because the staff there are going to be immigrants.
From "swarms" of migrants to "illegals" "invading" our shores, any society that continually ramps up toxic and dehumanising rhetoric about 'the other' will eventually and tragically pay a price. Let's try and learn from history.
And say if I don't like being called a silly old goat. Say if I think that dehumanises me and on top of that is ageist. Do you have a monopoly on what can be said ,does it depend how you misinterpret it that decides if it's proper. If you disagree with how I term things, have you therefore the right to say I would not like to be tended to by immigrants, and are you not openly accusing me of being racist. If you wrongly accuse someone of being racist does that not make you as bad as a racist.
I specifically made a comment many pages back that one of the main reasons I will be voting remain is that I fear that all the benefits that workers in this country have obtained since we have been in the EU will be dismantled under various pretexts ...
Maybe my mistake here was being insensitive about the word 'racist'.
To be fair - I sometimes have racist thoughts, and I've said racist things in the past. Most racist behaviour/speech is not deliberate. Prejudice is innate and difficult to overcome.
Hopefully people who actively hate others for being different are relatively rare - the problem is people going along with it or accepting it, because if it's not nipped in the bud it grows.
I think one of the reasons people are so sensitive about being called racist is because deep down they realise they are, to some degree - it's almost impossible not to be - and they don't like thinking that about themselves because it's not acceptable any more.
Anyway - websaway - I really don't care when you've called me an idiot or imbecile but you wound me up by bringing this back up and mocking me for trying to be fair minded. I don't think you are a bad person - I think what you said was insensitive and wrong.
I certainly don't have a monopoly on words or offence - no-one does - but certain things are very obviously divisive and offensive and if someone doesn't realise that, others have to tell them.
Racist or not, it's not right to call immigrants a 'swarm' or 'horde'. Every time someone allows that it gives it legitimacy, and people end up thinking it's normal.
This is not pointless pedantry or 'pc gone mad' - it's wanting things to be fair. I think most British people want things to be fair and it's one of the best things about this country.
Do I detect a mea culpa.
On the awful occasion today of Jo Cox murder the commentator on sky news described the scene as a swarm of police. Now I know what you are saying but just because some people want to brand people as racist and pick words and phrases that can become racist in meaning, doesn't mean that people who are not racist have to accept that. If I say hordes of Syrians are streaming across from Syria to Turkey. Just because someone says that's wrong in their opinion does not mean I have to agree and can't say it .
My question is how could anyone hate someone for being different, opposites attract, everyone is different. I asked one of my 6 year old grandsons the next day to describe the little boy we were playing football with, not once in all his attempts did he say he was black, children don't see a difference unless it's initially brought to their attention. So I disagree that it's impossible to not be racist , it's easy, don't think it, don't entertain it, don't be it, and don't misinterpret it, have a clear definition of what it is . If I don't want this country to grow in population by a city the size of Newcastle every year or by the size of Birmingham every 3 or 4 years , that makes me sensible , not racist.
If people who want for some reason the country to grow by that amount and choose to play the racist card as a method of muffling my point , I won't allow it.
See the bigger picture....everyone's rights are at risk by staying in, because we have no control over our sovereignty, and therefore the laws of our country.
No one on here in the remain camp knows anything at all about the history of the EU. To understand where it's heading you need to know where it came from. Don't ask me to tell you because you probably won't believe it coming from me. Plus, it takes a long time to get the full picture. But if you don't like being deceived, you should take the time.
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