EU Referendum

[dougs]

It is to a degree. What's certain is that having no sovereignty is the same as having no liberty...and no opportunity to do anything about it.

liberty is freedom that has little to do with sovereignty...

 

[dougs]

Makes a mockery of having the rules then.

If farmers were allowed to farm to their potential it makes sense that they could produce more at a lower price to the consumer.

And remember, those subsidies aren't a gift from Europe....it's our money they're using. In effect, you and I are paying UK farmers to not farm, whilst helping farmers elsewhere to sell into our market. Utter madness.

Fishermen fished dry the North Sea ...humans go for short term gains

 

[dougs]

No, I'm stating that he is no longer resident in the UK for tax purposes & is ineligible to vote in this referendum

Therefore, his opinions carry very little no weight.

I believe he is a British Citizen, living overseas but has been for less than 15 years so he is allowed to vote

 

[Edwin]

What is the one EU policy you'd most like to see changed?
- Free movement of people
- Power of the ECJ over national courts
- Relative non-accountability of the European Commission
- European Convention on Human Rights
- The EU contribution system and the EU levy
- Something else?

If you had free rein to modify or abolish the thing you chose above, would that tip your view of the EU?

 

[Toonz]

What is the one EU policy you'd most like to see changed?
- Free movement of people
- Power of the ECJ over national courts
- Relative non-accountability of the European Commission
- European Convention on Human Rights
- The EU contribution system and the EU levy
- Something else?

If you had free rein to modify or abolish the thing you chose above, would that tip your view of the EU?

Most urgent to me?

- Relative non-accountability of the European Commission

(by a country mile, as Farage, pint in hand, would probably say)

 

[martin-s]

What is the one EU policy you'd most like to see changed?
- Free movement of people
- Power of the ECJ over national courts
- Relative non-accountability of the European Commission
- European Convention on Human Rights
- The EU contribution system and the EU levy
- Something else?

If you had free rein to modify or abolish the thing you chose above, would that tip your view of the EU?

The whole point of voting leave is to have more power to change ALL of these things!

 

[Edwin]

The whole point of voting leave is to have more power to change ALL of these things!

My original question never said anything about other things staying the same. Your reply implied it did. Most people have an order of preference, even amongst things all of which they like or value or enjoy. I was trying to dig into what was #1 on their particular list.

In other words, all I was asking was: what is the most important change individual posters would like to see? And if that thing (the thing most important to them) changed, would it tip their view of the EU?

 

[Edwin]

This explainer, from the NZ Herald, does a better job than most of explaining the 4 main trade models open to the UK post-brexit. It highlights the pros and cons of each particular model very simply and suscinctly.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11657779

 

[Edwin]

Interesting and telling comment in this video interview from the FT with their Chief Political Commentator.

Q: Did David Cameron make a big mistake in calling for a referendum?
A: He made a terrible mistake, and if it's a Leave vote, he will go down in history as the prime minister who made the biggest peace time mistake in post-war history.

http://video.ft.com/4943008783001/Camerons-terrible-mistake-on-Brexit/latest

 

[BREWSTERS]

liberty is freedom that has little to do with sovereignty...

Within the discussion of in or out of the EU, sovereignty represents liberty as the freedom to decide the laws of the land.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Most urgent to me?

- Relative non-accountability of the European Commission

(by a country mile, as Farage, pint in hand, would probably say)

You can take out the word 'relative'.

Not audited for 20 years.....one rule for one, one law for the rest.

 

[martin-s]

My original question never said anything about other things staying the same. Your reply implied it did. Most people have an order of preference, even amongst things all of which they like or value or enjoy. I was trying to dig into what was #1 on their particular list.

This is why you don't understand the Brexit position. All of these are deal breakers:

• Free movement of people
• Power of the ECJ over national courts
• Relative non-accountability of the European Commission
• European Convention on Human Rights
• The EU contribution system and the EU levy

 

[martin-s]

A couple of bits from today's papers' headlines:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-36544814

• "Make all drug use legal, experts say" (another stupid headline which encourages distrust in experts?)
• "May calls for extra curbs on migrants" (straight from the horse's mouth - no offence maam, though she seems to believe we can remain and win further concessions on immigration. Good luck with that)

 

[websaway]

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What is the one EU policy you'd most like to see changed?
- Free movement of people
- Power of the ECJ over national courts
- Relative non-accountability of the European Commission
- European Convention on Human Rights
- The EU contribution system and the EU levy
- Something else?

If you had free rein to modify or abolish the thing you chose above, would that tip your view of the EU?

Little bit like making a list of all the things a prisoner has to do. H/she can only pick one thing and would that make him want to stay.

Incidentally lack of liberty is not on his list.

 

[spiderspider]

Interesting and telling comment

How is that a telling comment???

Its one mas opinion. Nothing more.

 

[martin-s]

Anyone ever watch The Good Wife?

So many of these headlines and expert statements would be better if prefixed with "in my opinion."

 

[websaway]

A couple of bits from today's papers' headlines:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-36544814

• "Make all drug use legal, experts say" (another stupid headline which encourages distrust in experts?)
• "May calls for extra curbs on migrants" (straight from the horse's mouth - no offence maam, though she seems to believe we can remain and win further concessions on immigration. Good luck with that)

You are not allowed to say from the horses mouth , It's racist it dehumanises her.
I think others not to use.
Hopped it
buzz off
at it like rabbits
cheeky monkey
trotted off
like a bull in a china shop. ( especially if the person is Chinese )

Wouldn't want to upset the pedantic.

 

[websaway]

Noticing Gordon Brown in his remain speech can't resist making a labour party political broadcast. Can't help knocking the tories at every opportunity.
I wonder if he mentions that he works as an advisor
to Pimco, one of the worlds largest asset management companies( Assets under management 1.5 Trillion US Dollars ) and sits on the board with the former Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke and the former president of the European Central Bank, Jean-Claude Trichet.
Wonder if that company is pro remain.

 

[VSC]

Ask, why are prices are so low? Because of cheap imports from Europe....nothing we can do about that at the moment. Hopefully that'll change soon.

Food prices are low because of us, the consumers. The supermarkets control over 80% of food retail - they are having constant price wars because the consumer (us) seem to want to pay as little as possible for food.
It is the supermarkets that cause the import of food because the UK does not have the land and weather to produce all the food needed at the pricing we want to pay; Governments haven't wanted to intervene because of the backlash they would get if food prices went up.

Leaving the EU will not make food prices lower, perhaps the opposite if tariffs are imposed.

 

[websaway]

We can listen to that avid socialist lord Kinnock , Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty tell us why we should remain in the undemocratic EU.
Will he mention about his families historic links to the EU system.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/108...ks-family-to-become-Europes-first-family.html