EU Referendum

[websaway]

He certainly does - unfortunately millions of people will blindly follow what he tells them

Unfortunate for who ?

 

[bonusmedia]

Unfortunate for who ?

For the turkeys. Christmas is coming

 

[websaway]

We're getting into 9/11 conspiracy theory ground here, not exactly fruitful.

My favourite conspiracy theory is the one that says there is a conspiracy to promote conspiracy theories to distract people from the plainly obvious truth

that wouldn't be difficult with you.

 

[martin-s]

Is there anyone here under 40?

Yes thanks!

 

[bonusmedia]

that wouldn't be difficult with you.

I bow to your superior intellect

 

[bonusmedia]

Yes thanks!

Fair enough. Not all old giffers with an axe to grind then

 

[BREWSTERS]

We're getting into 9/11 conspiracy theory ground here, not exactly fruitful.

My favourite conspiracy theory is the one that says there is a conspiracy to promote conspiracy theories to distract people from the plainly obvious truth

Must be wonderful knowing everything? You must know all about Walter then eh? And IG Farben? Yes of course you must...you wouldn't be able to discount it otherwise would you? Only an idiot would do that.
So, what can you tell me about Walt, or Farben's connection to Auschwitz and the EU?

 

[bonusmedia]

Must be wonderful knowing everything? You must know all about Walter then eh? And IG Farben? Yes of course you must...you wouldn't be able to discount it otherwise would you? Only an idiot would do that.
So, what can you tell me about Walt, or Farben's connection to Auschwitz and the EU?

I certainly don't know everything, I'm reasonably confident in my ability to discern the reliability of sources, and certain that 'mainstream' history has enough conspiracies without adding the crazed ramblings of David Icke types on the internet.

I understand it is tempting to ascribe your problems to the machinations of a shadowy elite that controls everything, but I'm afraid it's just fallible human beings all the way down. Wake up Sheeple

 

[websaway]

So it's being reported tonight that Corbyn and his crew are admitting the need to control immigration ( how could they possibly go on denying it ) So according to some people on this forum that will make him and his crew racist.
But lets assume they are not racist and we really do have a problem with uncontrolled immigration. Paul Johnson of the IFS ( an organisation famed for it's expertise ) said it is not possible to control immigration while we are a member of the EU.

 

[bonusmedia]

I don't think anyone in this thread has even once said that discussing or controlling immigration is racist.

Are you now interested in what experts have to say - or is it just the ones who conveniently support your position?

 

[BREWSTERS]

I for one don't like basing decisions on theories. I think there is enough ammunition in the leaves armoury to win the vote without going down that road. If you want to go there I will take my leave for a while and come back when it's done with.

Everything being discussed here is based on theories. What I've introduce is cold hard verifiable facts....names and actions that are not subject to interpretation and are recorded in history.
When you get some spare brain capacity, do yourself and your descendants a favour and educate yourself.

 

[websaway]

I thought I was hearing things . The general secretary of the PCS Union said. If we vote to leave, who will be the happiest when we wake up on June 24th It's going to be Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, not exactly rocket science. And what about the majority of the Voting population who will have recovered their sovereignty. They'll be dancing in the Mall.

 

[bonusmedia]

You haven't stated any facts whatosever, you've said trade, immigration and money are 'smokescreens' and made a vague demand that others should 'look into' some names. You've also suggested that you know something the rest of us don't because we haven't looked it up on the internet like you have, and that we are all idiots beholden to the 'controlled media'. All the hallmarks of a conspiracy theorist - and for that reason I've discounted what you've said. For example, do you believe 9/11 was an inside job?

I saw David Shayler speak once before he lost the plot and proclaimed himself to be Jesus. He was an idiot.

Then again perhaps you've hit on something really important and we've all missed it - so why not explain your theory? Please cite your sources.

 

[websaway]

I don't think anyone in this thread has even once said that discussing or controlling immigration is racist.

Are you now interested in what experts have to say - or is it just the ones who conveniently support your position?

This is a fallacy that I don't like experts, but it is a little like saying do you like meat. Some good, some not so good, some terrible.
And what I said originally was that "he who pays the piper calls the tune"

You need to trawl back and see who has played the racist card. Though less so recently since it dawned on them that it no longer holds water.

 

[bonusmedia]

I thought I was hearing things . The general secretary of the PCS Union said. If we vote to leave, who will be the happiest when we wake up on June 24th It's going to be Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, not exactly rocket science. And what about the majority of the Voting population who will have recovered their sovereignty. They'll be dancing in the Mall.

Actually most people will be at work - for a while at least

 

[bonusmedia]

This is a fallacy that I don't like experts, but it is a little like saying do you like meat. Some good, some not so good, some terrible.
And what I said originally was that "he who pays the piper calls the tune"

You need to trawl back and see who has played the racist card. Though less so recently since it dawned on them that it no longer holds water.

No need. No-one has said discussing or controlling immigration is racist. You've interpreted it that way because it suits your purpose

 

[Toonz]

Everything being discussed here is based on theories. What I've introduce is cold hard verifiable facts....names and actions that are not subject to interpretation and are recorded in history.
When you get some spare brain capacity, do yourself and your descendants a favour and educate yourself.

How far do you go with the Icke stuff? Do you believe they're reptilian shapeshifters, or is it just the elites' march to the microchipped one world government that you're not keen on? Sincere question btw. (I speak as a recovering Icke-aholic)((*hicc*))

 

[BREWSTERS]

I certainly don't know everything, I'm reasonably confident in my ability to discern the reliability of sources, and certain that 'mainstream' history has enough conspiracies without adding the crazed ramblings of David Icke types on the internet.

I understand it is tempting to ascribe your problems to the machinations of a shadowy elite that controls everything, but I'm afraid it's just fallible human beings all the way down. Wake up Sheeple

Thats fine, as they say 'ignorance is bliss'. "I don't need to verify that because....I would already know it if it was true".

Really it's ok, you're not alone - a lot of people discount things without checking facts because they believe they know better. Funny thing is though, if they heard it on telly, or read it in the papers, they'd be all over it like a cheap suit!

 

[bonusmedia]

Come on then, what's your theory

 

[websaway]

I said earlier in this thread . How irresponsible of Cameron to talk the pound and the stock market down. He will have to be held to account if it results in innocent people losing out.