EU Referendum

gimpydog · Jun 8, 2016

'VoteLeave' dominates Twitter users' posts on Brexit

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-twitter-idUSKCN0YU1OV

View that how you like.

gimpydog · Jun 8, 2016

websaway said:
Holland ... will want a referendum.

Hmmm....Didn't that happen once before?

Edwin · Jun 8, 2016

gimpydog said:
'VoteLeave' dominates Twitter users' posts on Brexit

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-twitter-idUSKCN0YU1OV

View that how you like.

Just a bit of fun...

I did a quick tally of the last 100 "#leave" Tweets in my "Live" timeline (discarding those that were nothing to do with the referendum). Of those 100:
61 were pro-leave.
17 were pro-remain.
22 were neutral.

Then the last 100 "#remain" Tweets:
53 were pro-remain
32 were pro-leave
15 were neutral

So it's clear that there's more pro-leave sentiment within that small sample than pro-remain.

martin-s · Jun 8, 2016

Edwin said:
Are you under the illusion that if we stay in the EU the EU won't change?

It's not an illusion. The only change we can expect is change for the worse.

denchomsky · Jun 8, 2016

The EU referendum. Keep calm, think clearly – and ignore the alarmism of the Treasury - http://bit.ly/1TVLQJC

newguy · Jun 8, 2016

Odds are staying quite firm with Remain at 1/3. I do certainly feel that the momentum is with leave right now though. I think others sense that too and it could feed back into how they vote on the day. Interesting times.

Brassneck · Jun 8, 2016

newguy said:
Odds are staying quite firm with Remain at 1/3. I do certainly feel that the momentum is with leave right now though. I think others sense that too and it could feed back into how they vote on the day. Interesting times.

Watching Betfair I'm seeing quite a steady move back to remain compared to the weekend when it was more like 1/2.

websaway · Jun 8, 2016

This is a very interesting read it's William Hague from last November when the Government were vey gung ho about leaving the EU

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...e-hurricane-that-will-soon-engulf-Europe.html

BREWSTERS · Jun 8, 2016

It's simple.
The EU is a step towards global government - and it's failing. Think about it...how can what's right for one country also be right for 27 others who all have different skill-sets, mind-sets, natural assets? It doesn't work.

The EU stifles trade. I'm logistics manager for a company that trades globally - it's easier trading with China (and anywhere) than it is some countries within the EU. I doubt that would change if we leave, but the point is, being part of the EU doesn't make it easier.

Add to this the absolute unaccountability of the EU Commission (the ONLY body who decides anything) who have never been voted for. The EU masquerades as a democracy; a democracy requires the leadership to have been voted for by the majority. NONE of the EU Commission have been voted in. £350m a week going to an unelected, unaccountable, and un-audited body. This clown is one of them....would you let him slap you? Well, he already is.

I've been to over half the countries in Europe, and I like them all for what they are. I love Italy, because it's Italy; France because it's France. If we do leave you will see other countries pulling out...and that's good - it doesn't work.

Toonz · Jun 8, 2016

Predictions for June 24th.

If Remain wins, it will be said that they only won because of their Project Fear stories about economic armageddon and WW3. There will be a few speculating that the immigration tactic backfired and that the divisive Farage was given too much airtime.

If Leave wins, it will be said that they only won because of their Project Fear stories about immigrant hordes invading and raping our women. There will also be accusations that Cameron was too often centre stage.

In short, whatever happens come June 24th, there will be a LOT of moaning and cries of foul play.

Skinner · Jun 8, 2016

I got amazing odds when I placed my bet a few years ago, it were a 2 part bet. I'm getting a bit of the rabbits nose now as the cash out is quite a few times my stake

have you put money on it ?

Brassneck said:
Watching Betfair I'm seeing quite a steady move back to remain compared to the weekend when it was more like 1/2.

AlistairM · Jun 8, 2016

Did anyone just watch Andrew Neil and George Osborne on BBC1? Showed exactly what a snide David Cameron is and Nigel Farage has got them running scared.

Edwin · Jun 8, 2016

Has anyone thought of fixing their mortgage against the possibility of an interest rate hike post-vote? (Osborne suggested that the Bank of England might have to counter rising inflation through the interest rate mechanism in the case of a recession) There seem to be a number of 5-year fixes out there under 2.5%, according to https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/mortgages/best-buys/ - and even a 10-year fix is under 3%!

Edwin · Jun 8, 2016

Toonz said:
In short, whatever happens come June 24th, there will be a LOT of moaning and cries of foul play.

I think you're right, though it will also be a factor of the margin of the winning side. If it's a strong win by one camp or the other, that kind of blunts the fangs of the "losing" contingent. But if it's really close, then the acrimony may run and run...

websaway · Jun 8, 2016

Edwin said:
Has anyone thought of fixing their mortgage against the possibility of an interest rate hike post-vote? (Osborne suggested that the Bank of England might have to counter rising inflation through the interest rate mechanism in the case of a recession) There seem to be a number of 5-year fixes out there under 2.5%, according to https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/mortgages/best-buys/ - and even a 10-year fix is under 3%!

That suggests that not many agree with him then.

Toonz · Jun 8, 2016

AlistairM said:
Did anyone just watch Andrew Neil and George Osborne on BBC1?

Yes I saw it. Not sure I'd agree with you about Farage, but Neil is an absolutely first class interviewer who really does his research and often appears to be more knowledgable than the cabinet members he's grilling.

Osborne simply didn't have an answer (and I don't think any of the Remain side have a convincing answer) as to why, if the consequences of leaving would be so awful, did Cameron ever agree to the referendum in the first place.

Osborne's "I think it's important we give the British people their say" and non-Tories' "it was just a sop to the UKIP arm of his party" don't really cut it because if the consequences of Brexit are set to be half as bad as Cameron and Osborne describe, they would (or should) never have offered the vote in the first place.

Also I'm struggling with the whole reform thing - that's another reason edging me towards leave. I still don't see how we can possibly reform the EU in our favour. All this talk from the likes of Jeremy Corbyn and Caroline Lucas (and I admire both of them) about building progressive alliances is just not realistic in my view. If it was feasible, I'd be more sure about remaining.

What pi55es me off is that I'm about as far from being an anti-immigrant right winger as it's possible to be, so it feels like I'm having to make some uncomfortable bedfellows with this one.

Toonz · Jun 8, 2016

Btw, Edwin - you're putting an admirable case for Remain, my friend. (You may yet win me over.

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Edwin · Jun 8, 2016

Toonz said:
Btw, Edwin - you're putting an admirable case for Remain, my friend. (You may yet win me over. )

Thanks. The most useful "compact" summary I can find is still "116 Reasons to Vote IN" (lots of links to sources to underpin the various bullet points)
http://www.cambridgeforeurope.co.uk/2016/03/30/116-reasons-to-vote-in/

Perhaps read in tandem with this tongue-in-cheek effort "35 Reasons to Vote #Leave"
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/johnny-rich/35-reasons-to-vote-leave_b_10322446.html

Toonz · Jun 8, 2016

Edwin said:
Thanks. The most useful "compact" summary I can find is still "116 Reasons to Vote IN" (lots of links to sources to underpin the various bullet points)
http://www.cambridgeforeurope.co.uk/2016/03/30/116-reasons-to-vote-in/

Perhaps read in tandem with this tongue-in-cheek effort "35 Reasons to Vote #Leave"
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/johnny-rich/35-reasons-to-vote-leave_b_10322446.html

Will check them both out

websaway · Jun 8, 2016

Have the remains got any more arrows to fire ? The economic prediction argument seems like a broken record The argument of immigration is something people have lived with every day for years. I also think ordinary people understand the value of freedom and the right to determine our own laws. I think the remain camp know that the older wiser and more experienced generation are overwhelmingly leavers. Is it possible to educate young people on the value of sovereignty and self determination.