EU Referendum

[gimpydog]

In ancient Greece people who did not vote were regarded as ill. In Australia ( a popular model ), you are fined for not voting in elections. Perhaps that is something else we could adopt ... a £100 fine if you do not vote, along with vastly improved laws on political campaigning and education.

"High voter turnout is a myth when you consider that 10% of Australians are not even registered. When that myth is debunked, I think you'll see a dramatic shift in public perception of compulsory voting," he said.

That number only reflects registered voters who turned out, and although required by law, in recent years voter registration has seen a slight decline, especially among younger Australians.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23810381

 

[looks]

Germany, USA and Canada ALL say they want special trade deals with post-Brexit Britain

 

[gimpydog]

Yup. Sour grapes versus the wonky bananas

 

[websaway]

Had a chat today with a friend who voted leave.
Pleasant and open chat.
I asked him why he voted leave.
His reply was that he honestly didn't know which way to vote but as his family were voting leave, he thought he would as well.

This will have happened on both sides.

Perhaps we really need to focus on political education more.

In ancient Greece people who did not vote were regarded as ill. In Australia ( a popular model ), you are fined for not voting in elections.

Perhaps that is something else we could adopt ... a £100 fine if you do not vote, along with vastly improved laws on political campaigning and education.

If it happens on both sides then maybe it just cancels itself out.
Which bit of politics should the education focus on and who should teach it. God help us if it's the expert professors in the universities who get more funding from the left than the right or vice versa.

 

[gimpydog]

Germany, USA and Canada ALL say they want special trade deals with post-Brexit Britain

"It marks a backtrack for [Barack Obama] who previously warned the UK would be at the "back of the queue" for a trade deal in the event of Brexit."

 

[spiderspider]

And lets not forget in November USA go to the polls to elect a new president.

Trump has already been quoted as saying we'll be at the front of the queue for trade agreement. Although if he gets in dollar price may hamper any exports.

 

[Toonz]

You know things are bad when we have to place our faith in Trump.

 

[websaway]

And lets not forget in November USA go to the polls to elect a new president.

Trump has already been quoted as saying we'll be at the front of the queue for trade agreement. Although if he gets in dollar price may hamper any exports.

I would not want to sacrifice my principles to support Trump. Lets hope Clinton wins.

 

[websaway]

You know things are bad when we have to place our faith in Trump.

We don't, we have to place our faith in ourselves.

 

[Edwin]

Why are you genuinely worried and depressed , how will this affect you personally.

It will affect me, my immediate family and many of my friends, in many ways, on a business and personal level.

It should be obvious from what I've posted that I believe the experts. Anyone who does should be worried.

Really sorry, but I'm not going to go into specifics beyond that. Please don't try pushing it, because I won't. Thanks.

 

[VSC]

It's just makes sense in this case though because If you're the mayor of Calais I'm sure the #1 thing you're elected on is saying you will do something about the immigrant crises

So of course when something like this happens you have to say "I'm going to be doing something!" whether you have the power to act or not

But it is not just the Mayor:

"France's economy minister Emmanuel Macron earlier sparked a row when he told the Financial Times his country could end UK border controls in Calais."

 

[VSC]

I thought Article 50 was a fairly recent addition to the Constitution?

Yes, you are right, 2007 I believe (apologies). Prior to that though the UK could legally have left "subject to the situation has changed so drastically, that the obligations of a signatory have been radically transformed.", which even as a remain voter I agree would have been the case.

Nevertheless, since 2007 it is not legally the case that the UK had lost it's sovereignty ... the fact that we are leaving has proven that.

 

[websaway]

It will affect me, my immediate family and many of my friends, in many ways, on a business and personal level.

It should be obvious from what I've posted that I believe the experts. Anyone who does should be worried.

Really sorry, but I'm not going to go into specifics beyond that. Please don't try pushing it, because I won't. Thanks.

No problem. But if you know it is going to affect you so quickly that would mean you new you had a vested business interest in staying in before the vote. So your views have been anything but impartial. Although granted you never said they were.
So basically that would mean your argument was for a trade off of all the things that the majority of people held dear, against what you personally new you would forfeit if we came out.

 

[looks]

But it is not just the Mayor:

"France's economy minister Emmanuel Macron earlier sparked a row when he told the Financial Times his country could end UK border controls in Calais."

However, those remarks have now been contradicted by the French government.

Speaking after the referendum result, French government spokesman Stephane Le Foll said bilateral immigration treaties between Britain and France will not be affected by the Brexit.

"On the question of immigration, to be clear, British exit from the European Union will not lead to changes in terms of immigration treaties with United Kingdom... These are bilateral treaties," he said.

http://news.sky.com/story/1717209/calais-tells-britain-take-back-your-border

 

[VSC]

"High voter turnout is a myth when you consider that 10% of Australians are not even registered. When that myth is debunked, I think you'll see a dramatic shift in public perception of compulsory voting," he said.

That number only reflects registered voters who turned out, and although required by law, in recent years voter registration has seen a slight decline, especially among younger Australians.

Still think that something has to be done when some elections get less than 40% turnout ...

 

[websaway]

http://news.sky.com/story/1717209/calais-tells-britain-take-back-your-border

Yes but the mayor of London says London should split from the UK.
The mayor of Calais is just that, the mayor of Calais.

 

[VSC]

http://news.sky.com/story/1717209/calais-tells-britain-take-back-your-border

"But while the French government said there would be no change, there were signs that politicians on the right wanted to use the Brexit result to push for a renewed debate on the deal that has left thousands of migrants and refugees stuck at Calais in insalubrious and dangerous conditions in shanty camps."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/25/french-border-deal-wont-be-affected-by-brexit-paris

Again we don't know. With French elections looming and the far right gaining ground, if they won with their attitude to the UK the border staying in France would be open to doubt.

 

[looks]

Yes but the mayor of London says London should split from the UK.
The mayor of Calais is just that, the mayor of Calais.

I agree, i was quoting VSC showing the french gov saying nowt will change.

 

[bonusmedia]

No problem. But if you know it is going to affect you so quickly that would mean you new you had a vested business interest in staying in before the vote. So your views have been anything but impartial. Although granted you never said they were.
So basically that would mean your argument was for a trade off of all the things that the majority of people held dear, against what you personally new you would forfeit if we came out.

I appreciate this is difficult for you to fathom but quite a lot of people are more concerned with the direction their country is heading in over their personal economic considerations. It is actually possible to put aside immediate financial concerns and be reasonably objective. For example, most scientists are more concerned with science than they are with getting rich. Most professors are more concerned with education than they are with getting rich.

I was well hedged and did well out of Brexit, at least in GBP - though those pounds are now worth a lot less. I'd quite happily give it back in an instant to remain.

 

[bonusmedia]

I am. And I'm talking about their trade protection and their labour reform demos. 1 million people took to the streets the last couple of weeks.

I admire the French for how they stand up and be counted for their beliefs and their rights.

Yesterday through the course of my work I spoke to people in The Netherlands, France, Spain and an Italian living in France. To a person they all want a referendum....they wouldn't say that if they want to remain.

Given that you support far right parties and espouse far right ideology while quoting far right extremist conspiracy theories, you should probably stop identifying as centre-left.