EU Referendum

[zehrila]

I want a 'Just answer the friggin question' one.

Can you answer it?

That's what a debate is. You state a view, someone questions, you answer. If your answer is 'I want a FacePalm' then your original statement really wasn't that strong.

To be honest I do not believe there are rights or wrongs here, we can make it with or without EU, I just believe we were not supposed to fix what is not broken. This system was not broken, this referendum was not needed, what it really needed was reforms with in the system, for which all sides failed. Now that it has happened, I see massive dip in the economy, pound is not going to be what it was yesterday, not anytime soon, regardless of all the gambling and temporary jolts, it is not going to be same since there won't be free trades, visas etc and our national debt is going to surge at faster pace now.

Also, I believe immigration is not a problem, UK is getting educated labour who pay regular taxes and contribute towards society. There are tons of doctors, engineers, accountants, miners, mechanics, barbers and so on who come down here, work hard and pay taxes, that pay for our pensions and other benefits. Breaking away from EU, is not going to make it impossible for us to survive, but it will definitely be difficult to manage without all the benefits that we took for granted.

 

[Edwin]

From the article:

Brexit campaigners also promised Cornwall would receive equal or better investment before the vote.

That was clearly a "promise" they were in no position to make, as the earlier part of the article affirmed.

 

[spiderspider]

From the article:



That was clearly a "promise" they were in no position to make, as the earlier part of the article affirmed.

Right ok...... so where does it say they are begging for it????

Where does it say they won't get it??????

How do you know they were in no position to make the promise? Do you know who made it?

Do you know they won't get it?

Seems to me like your taking one comment, and twisting it to fit your argument that isn't working.

 

[websaway]

This referendum resulted into the victory of "fear of unknown" and "herd mentality". While world is becoming a global village, where economies are interconnecting, we have successfully managed to isolate ourselves. Pound is struggling, over night we have become poorer and under more debt than we were yesterday http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

We have not isolated ourselves, we have extricated ourselves.
We can now be part of that so called global village and still retain our identity and our democracy, not the isolation of 28 countries and loss of sovereignty.

 

[Edwin]

They can't promise something first then ask for it afterwards. The simple action of having to ask for it makes it clear they didn't know beforehand they would definitely get it.

About to lose cell signal for a while

 

[Admin]

Here's a different take on it. I was born an EU Citizen, it's all I have known. Now I am not, it has been taken away from me (or will be in 2 years). I use the benefit of that right by living, working and paying taxes in another European country. Feels wrong.

 

[spiderspider]

They can't promise something first then ask for it afterwards. The simple action of having to ask for it makes it clear they didn't know beforehand they would definitely get it.

WHERE WAS THE BEGGING WORD USED?????

Anyone can turn anything to the pessimist side by using the appropriate words. And thats what you have done.

They can't promise something first then ask for it afterwards.

Says who? Any law against this? Thought this was called politics.

 

[websaway]

To be honest I do not believe there are rights or wrongs here, we can make it with or without EU, I just believe we were not supposed to fix what is not broken. This system was not broken, this referendum was not needed, what it really needed was reforms with in the system, for which all sides failed. Now that it has happened, I see massive dip in the economy, pound is not going to be what it was yesterday, not anytime soon, regardless of all the gambling and temporary jolts, it is not going to be same since there won't be free trades, visas etc and our national debt is going to surge at faster pace now.

Also, I believe immigration is not a problem, UK is getting educated labour who pay regular taxes and contribute towards society. There are tons of doctors, engineers, accountants, miners, mechanics, barbers and so on who come down here, work hard and pay taxes, that pay for our pensions and other benefits. Breaking away from EU, is not going to make it impossible for us to survive, but it will definitely be difficult to manage without all the benefits that we took for granted.

It is broken and the model didn't work for us.
If you want evidence of that it has to be that we did not join the Euro and we did not sign up to the Schengen agreement.
Free movement is not designed to relocate huge numbers of people from underprivileged countries to countries that are not comfortable accepting them.

 

[websaway]

It is broken and the model didn't work for us.
If you want evidence of that it has to be that we did not join the Euro and we did not sign up to the Schengen agreement.
We were not really committed to the project as a whole.
Free movement is not designed to relocate huge numbers of people from underprivileged countries to countries that are not entirely comfortable accepting them.

 

[zehrila]

It is broken and the model didn't work for us.
If you want evidence of that it has to be that we did not join the Euro and we did not sign up to the Schengen agreement.
Free movement is not designed to relocate huge numbers of people from underprivileged countries to countries that are not comfortable accepting them.

That is where I would disagree, it was not broken, it was on its way to learn and mature. It definitely needed better regulations, there is always room for progress and it was in best of our interest to let the process complete its evolutionary cycle.

On a different note, the latest invoice I received from a foreign supplier has an additional charge added to it, because now pound is not what it was yesterday and I have to pay it out of my savings that I was maintaining for my mortgage.

 

[websaway]

Saw this an thought it was funny

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Love it I'm sure everybody does if they care to admit it.
Listen the out camp won don't get annoyed with anyone. Put your case and don't let anyone wind you up.
Onward and upward.

 

[websaway]

That is where I would disagree, it was not broken, it was on its way to learn and mature. It definitely needed better regulations, there is always room for progress and it was in best of our interest to let the process complete its evolutionary cycle.

On a different note, the latest invoice I received from a foreign supplier has an additional charge added to it, because now pound is not what it was yesterday and I have to pay it out of my savings that I was maintaining for my mortgage.

So the organisation needed to learn and mature and it needed better regulations.
bit ambiguous but good luck with that one.

Well the pound could be $1.75 later on in the year and you would recuperate your losses.

 

[websaway]

What lies?

And can you back these up with proof that they are really lies, and not just your interpretation?

2 Questions.

Put yourself in the remain camps position, they are wounded and everything they read touches a nerve ( hope they don't read the daily mail ) and I think some, for whatever reason feel they had a vested interest in remaining.

 

[zehrila]

So the organisation needed to learn and mature and it needed better regulations.
bit ambiguous but good luck with that one.

Well the pound could be $1.75 later on in the year and you would recuperate your losses.

No system is perfect, there is always room for improvement. Our Govt needs to improve a lot on a lot of things as well.

"could be"? what makes you anticipate that?

 

[Edwin]

From article headline: "Cornwall pleads"

The thesaurus gives "beg" as a main synonymn of "plead". So nothing whatsoever wrong with my choice of word.

 

[spiderspider]

Put yourself in the remain camps position, they are wounded and everything they read touches a nerve ( hope they don't read the daily mail ) and I think some, for whatever reason feel they had a vested interest in remaining.

I get what you're saying, and couldn't agree more

Rather than saying 'well that was, what was' some feel they need to blow things up (not literally, I hope) and keep banging on with this being wrong, that being wrong, rather than shutting up.

I admit I did go OTT this morning Still stand by my comments But now having great fun pointing out to the pessimist that riots haven't broken out, I can still fill my car with fuel, get money out the bank, get treated at hospital, go on a booze cruise, stand and watch the ferries go back and forth etc etc

 

[websaway]

Yes, absolutely. The SNP is holding an extraordinary meeting this morning to plan their strategy towards holding the second referendum. Their 62% remain margin's pretty big - and they'd only need a simple majority in the second referendum in order to prevail, assuming it's held under the same rules as the first.

And it might well be that the EU would be happy to make special accommodations to Scotland to "preserve" its existing in-EU status as another way of signalling to other countries that it's better to stay inside the club than leave it. And they might start making noises in that direction early if it looked like that might help their case.

My point was, although I thought that Scotland may vote to leave us in the last referendum, I cannot now see intelligent middle aged Scots buying the message that we want to be independent so that we can join an organisation where we surrender our independence.

 

[Edwin]

Good explainer on the (in)famous Article 50.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/article-50-brexit-debate-britain-eu

 

[Brassneck]

Beside all other reaction buttons, Agree, Like, Funny etc, I want FacePalm the most

One for wishing thinking would be great also.

Basically, we are now in a situation where nobody really knows how it will all end. I'm incrediby depressed and worried about how all this has turned out. What I do know is that this is great for civil servants in the UK - will be a massive job creation scheme in that sector probably at the expense of spending on front line services.

 

[spiderspider]

From article headline: "Cornwall pleads"

The thesaurus gives "beg" as a main synonymn of "plead". So nothing whatsoever wrong with my choice of word.

'Cornwall backs Brexit then asks to be allowed to keep its EU funding'

.......Is the article headline


'Cornwall pleaded with the government to step in to fill the gap to be left by EU funding after the county decisively voted for Brexit.'

......... is the first paragraph.

You will see it says 'pleaded' and not 'pleads'. This would imply it has already happened. so yes their is still issues with what you're saying.

Still nothing about begging?

Plus still no answer to my other questions???? Maybe you can't back up those comments?