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EU Referendum

Acorn EU Poll

  • Remain

    Votes: 28 30.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 57 61.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 8 8.6%

  • Total voters
    93
  • Poll closed .
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But Edwin dosen't!!!

Its been constant in this thread, and I've said it before.

He makes a comment, and runs. When questioned, he never answers unless pushed and pushed.

We will have to choose to disagree. Edwin expresses his point of view, and often backs it up with a reference that he believes to be valid. I am not going to go through all his posts, but he has answered all comments at one point in time. Some he just doesn't want to rehash as he feels that he has already answered it.

FFS. Get over yourself. I never said that.

Calm down dear. You said that rather than shut up he goes on ... surely that is an invitation to stop talking?

No, but I can tell the whining ones to STFU!

Good debating technique!
 
For the 48%, this was a day of despair
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/48-britain-regrexit-voted-remaon

I'm not saying you have to agree with it, I promise. But please read it slowly. Several times. Let it really sink in.

Then - and only then - do you have a chance of understanding what the rest of us are feeling.

Edwin, the majority of us, have been living with a system we don't want and never voted for - do you understand that?

And within hours the crass media are telling a tale of woe, and you are looking for pity? Well you're not going to get any from here.

To be honest the immediate fall out hasn't been as harsh as I thought it might considering ALL the banks wanted, and many helped finance, a remain vote. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.
 
So you want France to act for the ultimate benefit of the UK while telling France that their citizens will no longer be able to travel freely in the UK? Why? There is no benefit to France to keep the border there, infact it has caused nothing but problems for France.

I really hope that the future is positive ... but the EU rightly has to look after itself first. If that means that the UK suffers, well so be it. We are acting in exactly the same way, let's think of the UK first and only. Why expect other countries to behave any differently. The "Great" in Great Britain is just a word, not an inference of power.

The debate prior to the vote was saying that the EU needs UK trade - alongside leave campaigners saying that we did not need EU trade ... you can't have it both ways.

The EU may feel the same and look for new outlets for their own exports and reduce the demand of UK products by making trade deals with other countries.

We just do not know ... we ALL have to wait now and see.

We are not privy to the parts of government that control international relations, maybe our security services , our diplomatic services, our ministry of defence , our treasury department, or suchlike provide something to France that they would not want to lose.
We are not a rogue state nobody is applying sanctions on us.
If the EU are purposefully vindictive to the UK it will have severe consequences for them and it would show them up to be what they are, a dictatorial bloc.
I can't get my head around the Scotland thing. If they have a referendum and the message is to leave England so we can be independent and not controlled by Westminster and it would allow us to join the EU and be controlled by Brussels. Can you see the adult intelligent population of Scotland buying that one.
 
@admin really should put his personal views to one side (he was a remainer to, although not lived in UK for nearly 10 years) and start to moderate and cut all the crap that is being posted.

What? You don't even know 'if' I voted. You have no right to tell me I cannot share my opinion, so wind it in. With regards to moderation, this is a free to use board, I've been on holiday for nearly a month and moderating over 2000 posts in 1 thread just isn't realistic. Calm down, contribute to the thread or ignore it. Don't tell people they are stupid.

EVERYONE, I will close this thread if you cannot stop throwing personal insults, so its up to you if it stays open or not.
 
I can't get my head around the Scotland thing. If they have a referendum and the message is to leave England so we can be independent and not controlled by Westminster and it would allow us to join the EU and be controlled by Brussels. Can you see the adult intelligent population of Scotland buying that one.

Yes, absolutely. The SNP is holding an extraordinary meeting this morning to plan their strategy towards holding the second referendum. Their 62% remain margin's pretty big - and they'd only need a simple majority in the second referendum in order to prevail, assuming it's held under the same rules as the first.

And it might well be that the EU would be happy to make special accommodations to Scotland to "preserve" its existing in-EU status as another way of signalling to other countries that it's better to stay inside the club than leave it. And they might start making noises in that direction early if it looked like that might help their case.
 
To be honest the immediate fall out hasn't been as harsh as I thought it might considering ALL the banks wanted, and many helped finance, a remain vote. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

As a remain voter I truly hope that things don't turn out as bad as some forecasts. I truly hope that this country moves on together, united etc etc ...

BUT, as a remain voter if things do go sour for many years, I would expect leave voters to put their hands up (like you have done for which I thank you) and say, "yep, that is down to us", and not come up with some conspiracy theory blaming someone / some body / the EU / Martians / that it is not because of their chosen vote.

I want to move on now - but what irks me is rudeness and arrogance. (you may irk me but not because you are rude or arrogant - you are not, just misguided ;););))

There's more I want to say but have to take my oldest to his rugby league game!
 
On a simplistic level, it all boils down to 3 reasons why voters chose Brexit; 1) Belief that borders will be better controlled to ensure only skilled workers can live here (i.e. the Australian points system), 2) Understanding that we pay more into the EU than we get out, thereby funding the prosperity of other (failing/lazy) countries, and, 3) The unnatural and unhealthy divide between the City of London and the rest of the UK, especially the North, with an unbalanced distribution of wealth and resources; brought about by present and past government.

I voted out, mainly because with the the 5th largest economy, we already punch well above our weight and unshackled from EU bureaucracy, can thrive. Do I feel incredibly anxious with my decision, yes absolutely, because the reality is we need a very strong government who believe in the direction the UK are taking, and at the moment we have one in complete disarray. Would I change my vote, no, because fundamentally the EU is bad for all of us, and we should prosper in the long term, but it is going to take commitment and a lot of time.

Whether you voted in or out, we must unite as a country, and the media need to play a huge part in this, and hopefully will once the dust has settled.
 
Saw this an thought it was funny :)

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Interesting to see the lies the local Leave camp told the electorate.
What lies?

And can you back these up with proof that they are really lies, and not just your interpretation?

2 Questions.
 
Now multiply that by hundreds of local authorities all over the country...
Are you implying that hundreds of local authorities across the country have lied to people, on a mass scale?

Perhaps that was the real project fear: the fear that comes after the vote closed
In your opinion? and what fear?
 
Lol, the irony! Cornwall backs Brexit, demands to keep EU funding

Maybe a language thing, but 'Demands to keep EU funding' is incorrect.

They will continue to get the money already allocated.
They are asking that the grants they have been receiving, be kept up by the government, which will be something for the Cornwall MPs to campaign for.
 
Interesting to see the lies the local Leave camp told the electorate.

Now multiply that by hundreds of local authorities all over the country...

Perhaps that was the real project fear: the fear that comes after the vote closed.

This referendum resulted into the victory of "fear of unknown" and "herd mentality". While world is becoming a global village, where economies are interconnecting, we have successfully managed to isolate ourselves. Pound is struggling, over night we have become poorer and under more debt than we were yesterday http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
 
we have successfully managed to isolate ourselves
How? Have we turned ourselves into North Korea overnight? No, didn't think so...

Pound is struggling
Due to traders gambling on a stay, and loosing. Just like those saying the 3% FTSE was 'dire' its all rubbish and nothing worse than Tesco posting bad results.

over night we have become poorer and under more debt than we were yesterday
Have 'we'? I haven't.

More doom and gloom posts. Cheer Yourself up :)
 
How? Have we turned ourselves into North Korea overnight? No, didn't think so...


Due to traders gambling on a stay, and loosing. Just like those saying the 3% FTSE was 'dire' its all rubbish and nothing worse than Tesco posting bad results.


Have 'we'? I haven't.

More doom and gloom posts. Cheer Yourself up :)

Beside all other reaction buttons, Agree, Like, Funny etc, I want FacePalm the most :):rolleyes:
 
Beside all other reaction buttons, Agree, Like, Funny etc, I want FacePalm the most :):rolleyes:
I want a 'Just answer the friggin question' one.

Can you answer it?

That's what a debate is. You state a view, someone questions, you answer. If your answer is 'I want a FacePalm' then your original statement really wasn't that strong.
 
Sorry about to get on a train. If you read Cornwall article again you'll see where the Leave camp said no funding would be affected.

Fact they're now having to beg for it implies earlier statement had no foundation = lie
 
Fact they're now having to beg for it implies
Where does it say they are begging for it?

Leave said no funding effected.

No where does it say that has no foundation. Can you cut some quotes from that article, as I feel really STUPID* debating this with you, when your using terms with meanings not in that article linked.

Unless, of course your making it all up????????

*calling myself stupid, and stating I feel stupid is not against the rules, I believe.

@admin following PM, this is a classic example.
 
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