EU Referendum

websaway · Jun 24, 2016

VSC said:
The fact is, we are leaving so they are they only real consequences that can be discussed. It is not a question of ignoring the consequences of remaining as now no one can say what they would have been - it is only conjecture.

As a member of the electorate who voted (one of the 48%), I/we still have the right to comment and have our voices heard, just as if the result had been the other way around, the leave voters would have had.

Yes, the "ship has turned", but we are still on board.

Yes , good stuff.

zehrila · Jun 24, 2016

Why we may remain in the EU. The referendum is not binding and the result does not constitute a final irrevocable decision either way. http://www.standard.co.uk/business/...ay-remain-even-if-we-vote-leave-a3272621.html

Toonz · Jun 24, 2016

zehrila said:
Why we may remain in the EU. The referendum is not binding and the result does not constitute a final irrevocable decision either way. http://www.standard.co.uk/business/...ay-remain-even-if-we-vote-leave-a3272621.html

It might not be legally binding but it would be political suicide to keep us in the EU and I think every politician will know that. Even I - as a remainer -wouldn't want them to go back on their word after the people voted to come out.

spiderspider · Jun 24, 2016

Edwin said:
I can't believe that some of you Leave camp folk, even after scoring a definitive victory, still feel obliged to resort to personal attacks in your responses to me!

Snap out of it. Discuss the TOPIC or stay out. But there shouldn't be any statements referencing ME.

I would answer this, but @websaway summed it up really well

Adam H · Jun 24, 2016

https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu

zehrila · Jun 24, 2016

Adam H said:
https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu

Saw that earlier, would be crazy to see this happen and then Scotland and NI to follow the pattern. Quality of life will probably go further down after Brexit. Nationalism is winning, rational and progressive thinking is failing.

grandwizard · Jun 24, 2016

Even the Leave campaign are not in a hurry to Leave

I don't really think Boris and Nigel ever thought the Leave campaign had a chance. No plans to leave, No plans to move forward, No idea where we are heading, it is not a surprise invoking article 50 has been placed on hold. 81 percent of the UK population are indigenous white British, the Black population about 3% , Asian 7%, EU nationals 5% illegals less than 1% maybe slightly more other 4% Now even if you immediately deported half the EU nationals the population will still be quite high, I have met people in my area who think somehow voting out will bring immigration down as a whole. This will Not happen, Most of the migration is LEGAL , people marrying other nationals, foreign born citizens , investors moving businesses and staff etc I live in a small town with hardly any EU migrants but the number one issue here is immigration "Fear nothing but Fear itself I guess.

Toonz · Jun 24, 2016

Not all people who voted Brexit were stupid - but all stupid people voted Brexit.*

*Forget evidence and polls to demonstrate that - we're in the post-expert age now

gimpydog · Jun 24, 2016

spiderspider said:

Better with music...

Can you do a poster for this?...

zehrila · Jun 24, 2016

Probably the funniest bit of this whole referendum is seeing all those towns, which have no immigrants, to vote against immigrants. London has most amount of EU immigrants, and yet they voted to remain in EU.

gimpydog · Jun 24, 2016

zehrila said:
Probably the funniest bit of this whole referendum is seeing all those towns, which have no immigrants, to vote against immigrants. London has most amount of EU immigrants, and yet they voted to remain in EU.

Not many in Scotland. Why do you think that is?

websaway · Jun 24, 2016

Toonz said:
I think they're worried we'll be holding them responsible!

Toonz said:
Not all people who voted Brexit were stupid - but all stupid people voted Brexit.*

*Forget evidence and polls to demonstrate that - we're in the post-expert age now

Should always listen to the experts about what's wrong with the country.
who are the experts ? the electorate.

websaway · Jun 24, 2016

zehrila said:
Probably the funniest bit of this whole referendum is seeing all those towns, which have no immigrants, to vote against immigrants. London has most amount of EU immigrants, and yet they voted to remain in EU.

Yes they need the gardeners and maids.

Toonz · Jun 24, 2016

websaway said:
Should always listen to the experts about what's wrong with the country.
who are the experts ? the electorate.

Na. All a bit Trump for my liking. Still, if it makes you feel better about yourselves, carry on.

websaway · Jun 24, 2016

I thought the remaining remainers might like the last word from Katie.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...in-stood-proud-tall-reclaimed-birthright.html

grandwizard · Jun 24, 2016

The Leave campaign will have to explain how they are going to reduce all the LEGAL Migration. The Australian points system doesn't seem to apply to marriages and children born on foreign soil by foreign residents. Not sure they can say for e.g sorry mate you can't marry that Albanian woman she hasn't got enough points

or you can't bring your kids over if they are not British but you live here. The remain campaign is right immigration is a complex issue. Meet the new Boss same as the old one I have a strong feeling freedom of movement might just be a concession for the UK maintaining access to the single market.

denchomsky · Jun 24, 2016

zehrila said:
Probably the funniest bit of this whole referendum is seeing all those towns, which have no immigrants, to vote against immigrants. London has most amount of EU immigrants, and yet they voted to remain in EU.

Once again someone 'presuming' that's the only reason why people voted out. Just makes you sound ignorant.

VSC · Jun 24, 2016

websaway said:
Should always listen to the experts about what's wrong with the country.
who are the experts ? the electorate.

While the electorate are not stupid, many people will respond emotionally and seek what they see as simple solutions to complex problems.

Many of the electorate were/are concerned about immigration, so it seemed simple to just leave the EU and stop the EU migrants. The fact is that most EU migrants are working people, contributing to the economy. People blame them for taking jobs ... but the jobs have been there for UK citizens should they want them - we have the living wage, so working for low wages taking jobs away from UK citizens cannot be an issue (and if it is, it is the UK employers at fault).

Yes, there were other issues, but the evidence does seem to point to immigration and less for sovereignty being the main leave vote issue.

We vote in MPs to decide on issues on our behalf. The majority of MPs voted to remain. Perhaps that means that they were not responding so emotionally, but were seeing a bigger picture, and overall future.

I would imagine that if we had a spate of horrific murders, then had a referendum on hanging, many people would vote emotionally and vote for hanging. Have that vote at a different time, and you would get a different outcome.

If we had held the referendum say in 2 years, after the concessions that Cameron got from the EU had been enacted and had time to see the results, the referendum result may have been different.

Who knows. Whatever ... we are leaving, and we all have to do our best to move forward.

websaway · Jun 24, 2016

Toonz said:
Na. All a bit Trump for my liking. Still, if it makes you feel better about yourselves, carry on.

It is right that our democracy has been rescued by the most democratic shock in our history.
Having giving it thought , I think this is one of our finest hours. I think of all those people who, against all the selfish advise by the elite, had the courage to stand up to the establishment.
It reminds me of the American declaration of independence. Triumph over fear. How big a country are we that we have done this, seeing the dangers of joining the Euro, seeing the dangers of joining the Schengen zone, and seeing the intended attempt to guide us into am undemocratic united states of Europe.

denchomsky · Jun 24, 2016

VSC said:
While the electorate are not stupid, many people will respond emotionally and seek what they see as simple solutions to complex problems.

Yes, there were other issues, but the evidence does seem to point to immigration and less for sovereignty being the main leave vote issue.

We vote in MPs to decide on issues on our behalf. The majority of MPs voted to remain. Perhaps that means that they were not responding so emotionally, but were seeing a bigger picture, and overall future.

.

Or maybe it's because the mainstream media only report and push those issues?
And the remain camp used immigration to discredit the leave camp and appeal to the remain camp?
And you could say remainers mainly voted in because of the economy and no other reason?
And you could also say that MP's are corrupt and only acting in self interest?