EU Referendum

[Toonz]

realistically, the British people are not going to vote for Corbyn so we are likely to have the right of the Tory party in charge.

And yesterday you didn't think they would vote 'leave'.

You're being misleading because it's been obvious for a while that the EU vote would be extremely close and could easily have gone either way (I said so myself), whereas Corbyn and electoral success are miles apart as shown in last year's elections as well as in the vast gulf between his positions (immigration, benefits, Trident) and the beliefs of the country at large.

 

[Admin]

- Job losses (again, remember we're only 9 hours in and already cuts of several thousand positions have been announced!)

The Morgan Stanley rumour was denied by them, has there been something I've missed?

 

[VSC]

The Morgan Stanley rumour was denied by them, has there been something I've missed?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-vote-bis-businesses-warn-profits-slump.html

JP Morgan and BNP Paribas looking for offices in Paris.

But anyway ... it is too early to say anything ...
Let's wait a few months and then revisit this ... No business is going to say or do anything till the exit date and what replaces them becomes clearer

 

[Edwin]

FYI if you have very very deep pockets, you can buy a passport from Malta (an EU member).
http://www.maltaimmigration.com/

 

[websaway]

• They were predicting that if Scotland voted Remain but England voted Leave, there would be a call for a second referendum -> already came true
• They were predicting that the matter of the Ireland/Northern Ireland border would be a real issue, regardless of how the Leave camp spun it as business as usual -> already shown to be true
• They were predicting that the short-term financial market impact of brexit would be entirely negative -> already came true
• They were predicting that the EU was likely to seek to punish the UK for voting out -> in progress, but there has already been a lot of talk at senior levels of the EU suggesting that the wheels are in motion for this (and Cameron will be outside the room when the other 27 countries meet next week to discuss the UK's fate)

There's probably more, but I'm working on 2.3 hours sleep in the last 36, and I can hardly see straight!

And you have to ask experts to predict these obvious scenarios.
They did not predict that the public already new this and would vote out.
If Scotland had an election in the next couple of years they would vote to stay in the UK, the people who are calling for an election after all are an independence party.
I can just see our PM sitting on a school chair outside the room that they are meeting in and he feels they are talking about him.
the stock market is no lower than it was in February 2016
I think you are tired and I think this post is sour grapes, wake up , grow up and just try to empathise with the majority of the British electorate.

 

[AssetDomains]

FYI if you have very very deep pockets, you can buy a passport from Malta (an EU member).
http://www.maltaimmigration.com/

If you have recent Irish ancestry you can always do this

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ate-brexit-eu-referendum-result-34803753.html

 

[VSC]

FYI if you have very very deep pockets, you can buy a passport from Malta (an EU member).
http://www.maltaimmigration.com/

Or of course marry a EU member ...

 

[spiderspider]

Whoever did this is very clever:

 

[VSC]

I think you are tired and I think this post is sour grapes, wake up , grow up and just try to empathise with the majority of the British electorate.

I think what we should all remember was that it was very close - 4%.
Yes, leave won - move on etc ...
BUT, it was a small difference in the scheme of things.

Remember, Nigel Farrage himself said there should be a rerun if it was 52-48 for remain ...
What is good for the goose ... comes to mind.

 

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[Edwin]

I can't believe that some of you Leave camp folk, even after scoring a definitive victory, still feel obliged to resort to personal attacks in your responses to me!

Snap out of it. Discuss the TOPIC or stay out. But there shouldn't be any statements referencing ME.

 

[Edwin]

Steps to leaving the European Union - a handy guide

 

[websaway]

You're being misleading because it's been obvious for a while that the EU vote would be extremely close and could easily have gone either way (I said so myself), whereas Corbyn and electoral success are miles apart as shown in last year's elections as well as in the vast gulf between his positions (immigration, benefits, Trident) and the beliefs of the country at large.

Thanks, that was really interesting.

I was genuinely shocked to see so many Vote Leavers still repeating the "take back control" line in interviews today. Almost as if they didn't realise (or didn't believe) that their camp had won! There were no hard answers coming from them on anything at all - which is immensely worrying since many of them are going to be the ones in charge of steering the unwieldy ship of state away from the rocks.

This Guardian editorial is, I think, also worth a read.

The Guardian view on the EU referendum: the vote is in, now we must face the consequences
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-vote-is-in-now-we-must-face-the-consequences

The situation is now that the remainers will talk about the consequences of leaving. They will ignore the consequences of remaining. Over half the electorate have spoken . We have had an out vote, in is not an alternative, we are once again a sovereign nation and the majority of the electorate did not agree with your desired destination.
The ship has turned and is heading in a different direction , welcome aboard.

 

[BREWSTERS]

It's become obvious that the two main parties cannot be trusted to deliver a smooth transition, or to work in the best interests of us all...because their hearts aren't in it.
Politicians have big egos, and (perhaps subconsciously) they will want to be able to say 'told you so'. And they can only say that if they make a bad job of it. They have no incentive to do the best they can.
Ever heard a politician say 'you were right, I was wrong'?
Neither have I.

 

[Toonz]

The situation is now that the remainers will talk about the consequences of leaving. They will ignore the consequences of remaining. Over half the electorate have spoken . We have had an out vote, in is not an alternative, we are once again a sovereign nation and the majority of the electorate did not agree with your desired destination.
The ship has turned and is heading in a different direction , welcome aboard.

What has this got to do with the post of mine that you quoted?

 

[Toonz]

Politicians have big egos, and (perhaps subconsciously) they will want to be able to say 'told you so'.

They're not the only ones.

 

[Toonz]

Ever heard a politician say 'you were right, I was wrong'?

I have. But then I do my best to avoid confirmation bias.

 

[VSC]

The situation is now that the remainers will talk about the consequences of leaving. They will ignore the consequences of remaining. Over half the electorate have spoken . We have had an out vote, in is not an alternative, we are once again a sovereign nation and the majority of the electorate did not agree with your desired destination.
The ship has turned and is heading in a different direction , welcome aboard.

The fact is, we are leaving so they are they only real consequences that can be discussed. It is not a question of ignoring the consequences of remaining as now no one can say what they would have been - it is only conjecture.

As a member of the electorate who voted (one of the 48%), I/we still have the right to comment and have our voices heard, just as if the result had been the other way around, the leave voters would have had.

Yes, the "ship has turned", but we are still on board.

 

[websaway]

I can't believe that some of you Leave camp folk, even after scoring a definitive victory, still feel obliged to resort to personal attacks in your responses to me!

Snap out of it. Discuss the TOPIC or stay out. But there shouldn't be any statements referencing ME.

I simply can not believe you are still trying to justify the scaremongering of the leave campaign. It undermines your intelligence. The topic you are referring to is history.
The experts as they are described, over exaggerated the leave scenario.
The electorate did not like uncontrolled immigration and loss of sovereignty.
I don't know which bit of the country did not want to trade off it's independence, you don't understand.
And what the government did not understand is that John and Mary in Hartlepool do not give a damn if the stock market drops or the pound goes down, like millions of others, they could not be any worse off than they are now.
And just to confirm, 75% of young people voted in, and still didn't win.
They won't know for a number of years how wrong they were.

That's more than a little unfair, no matter what your political inclination.

He has worn himself out criss-crossing the country over the last few months warning of the perils of brexit. His warnings have been loud, specific, clear.

We are only about 9 hours into a "definitive" brexit environment, and already many of the warnings have come true:
- Scotland renewing calls for independence
- Northern Ireland making independence rumblings
- Economic turmoil
- Job losses (again, remember we're only 9 hours in and already cuts of several thousand positions have been announced!)
- etc. etc.

It is therefore utterly unsurprising, and indeed quite understandable, for him to be unwilling to clean up this impossible mess that he poured so much energy and passion into warning the country against in the first place.

You and the MP were and are ignoring the consequences of remaining.
72% of the electorate turned out and 17,410,742 did not agree with the PM and that's unusual.

 

[Toonz]

The fact is, we are leaving so they are they only real consequences that can be discussed. It is not a question of ignoring the consequences of remaining as now no one can say what they would have been - it is only conjecture.

As a member of the electorate who voted (one of the 48%), I/we still have the right to comment and have our voices heard, just as if the result had been the other way around, the leave voters would have had.

Yes, the "ship has turned", but we are still on board.

I think they're worried we'll be holding them responsible!