EU Referendum

[martin-s]

It's just the storm of a shock event. This time next week life will be starting to normalise in the new reality.

 

[Bailey]

Well Didn't survive the whole night, fell asleep in the chair. Well I was certainly wrong about my prediction of the outcome. I'm a bit taken aback by the comments I've heard in recent weeks (mostly quite right-wing sentiments) reminds me of the National Fronts Heydays. Still some interesting times ahead

 

[looks]

By the popular sentiment on twitter you would think only old racists not long for this world voted leave Europe because of immigration

I've also seen an alarming amount of tweets saying 16 and 17 year olds should have been able to vote because it effects their future too..

It is not racist to be concerned about immigration.

 

[denchomsky]

By the popular sentiment on twitter you would think only old racists not long for this world voted leave Europe because of immigration

I've also seen an alarming amount of tweets saying 16 and 17 year olds should have been able to vote because it effects their future too..

Yes, no disrespect but I would imagine that 90% of 15-20yo don't have a clue about the EU and the implications of staying or leaving. I know that when I was that age I had no bloody idea about UK politics let alone European politics.

 

[denchomsky]

It is not racist to be concerned about immigration.

I don't think that was Murray's point.

 

[TinkyWinky]

Sturgeon unhappy with decision, second referendum, wants out of the UK, in EU, yet wants to be fully involved in decisions made by our government. Believes the English and Welsh people have made a mistake! Thing is, Scotland have a lot to lose, they get more out of the EU than they put in, so why don't they just ask that they receive the same amount in now from our exit, as the Welsh are doing. Seems like the SNP are a scorned party throwing their toys out of the pram again (feel for them though, Scotland require the EU more than we do, but they should have voted in the same numbers as the rest of the UK home countries).

She's always unhappy when things don't go her way!

IMO it's a pointless exercise which is borne out by the fact she has not called it already! Until the SNP can show they can plan and strategise effectively - particularly for the economy - there's no way Scotland could safely go independent. Last nights vote up here showed a lower %ge of voters than at the Referendum voting the way the way the SNP wanted, and at the Scottish Referendum they lost the first one 45:55. So not sure they'd get anywhere near enough for a decisive margin.

In addition, with current market, tax receipts and oil (the cherry on the top remember), Scotland would be broke in a matter of months, with no Barnett as the rUK would stop that immediately. Which means they need the ECB to back up the country. BUT... not sure how Scotland would think they could jump the EU queue either as Spain alone would not be pleased to allow them to join!

So in all 'balanced reality' it's years away before they could even countenance it - by which time I am sure there will be a lot more stability and therefore a lot less potential 'OUT' voters.

All of the above just creates yet more uncertainty which reduces incoming investment - it's a vicious circle.

 

[spiderspider]

Anyone seen George Osbourne? I know his days are numbered, but not seen him on TV today. Maybe having a long lay in?

She's always unhappy when things don't go her way!

She's always happy whenever there is an opportunity to be unhappy in front of some cameras about 'Westminister'. Never seen the woman smile.

 

[Toonz]

*snip*

(no time to get into debate today!)

 

[Murray]

Yes, no disrespect but I would imagine that 90% of 15-20yo don't have a clue about the EU and the implications of staying or leaving.

I will admit I don't really know about these things

For me, fundamentally it's unacceptable that unelected people can pass laws for the UK when the public have no say and there are no consequences for the law makers

I was never going to vote stay, only leave if I did vote, but I hesitant knowing that I haven't got the first clue how it will effect the economy and trade, but then I learned about Switzerland and they seem to be doing just fine out of the EU and that that swung me in to actually going to vote

To more educated people, the reason that pushed me into actually voting may sound dumband that's the trouble, an uneducated persons vote like myself counted just as much as someone who has actually spent hours doing proper research

 

[Edwin]

I think seen from the prism of distance, it may turn out in the coming weeks and months that the big issue wasn't the referendum itself, but the setting of a simple majority as the dividing line. A decision as momentous and earth-shattering as this may have deserved a higher threshold. After all, there is no rule that states it had to be 50% (at the time the refendum was first mooted, I mean)

 

[Edwin]

Morgan Stanley has just announced they're moving 2,000 jobs from London to Frankfurt and Dublin, according to BBC sources. These are likely to be high end, highly paid jobs since they're in the "investment banking" arm of the firm.

 

[cannybagotudor]

I think seen from the prism of distance, it may turn out in the coming weeks and months that the big issue wasn't the referendum itself, but the setting of a simple majority as the dividing line. A decision as momentous and earth-shattering as this may have deserved a higher threshold. After all, there is no rule that states it had to be 50% (at the time the refendum was first mooted, I mean)

No, 50% is a fair and an undisputable number, if it was say 60% but leave had 55% that's unfair, when it's 50% it boils down to those who feel strongly enough to actually take action and vote and the parties to work to get people to take that action.

In 5 years it'll be old news and everyone will have moved on. Indeed the EU want the article 50 process to start immediately to avoid prolonging the the uncertainty on the markets.

 

[Edwin]

In 5 years it'll be old news and everyone will have moved on. Indeed the EU want the article 50 process to start immediately to avoid prolonging the the uncertainty on the markets.

They're right that not activating it prolongs the uncertainty.

Interestingly, Leave spokespeople seem not only be in no hurry to do so, but positively against activating it any time soon. John Redwood told the BBC just a short while ago that he could see a case for it never being activated at all, because why would the UK want to give up its special status (that from a very firm Leaver)!

I've not had the chance to dig into it, but there may be something in Article 50 or elsewhere that allows the EU to start the process from its end...

 

[scottmccloud]

The referendum vote, amongst other things has exposed the divides between England and Scotland, London and the rest of the England and younger and older members of society. If this country is so divided, an ever expanding and closer integrated European Union was really never going to work was it?

 

[websaway]

Morgan Stanley has just announced they're moving 2,000 jobs from London to Frankfurt and Dublin, according to BBC sources. These are likely to be high end, highly paid jobs since they're in the "investment banking" arm of the firm.

That might reduce property price rises in the capital.

 

[looks]

That shows a clear picture. http://election.news.sky.com/referendum

East Midlands – OUT
Eastern – OUT
London – IN
North East – OUT
North West – OUT
Northern Ireland – IN
Scotland – IN
South East – OUT
South West & Gibraltar – OUT
Wales – OUT
West Midlands – OUT
Yorkshire & The Humber – OUT

 

[websaway]

I think seen from the prism of distance, it may turn out in the coming weeks and months that the big issue wasn't the referendum itself, but the setting of a simple majority as the dividing line. A decision as momentous and earth-shattering as this may have deserved a higher threshold. After all, there is no rule that states it had to be 50% (at the time the refendum was first mooted, I mean)

Tell me I'm reading this wrong, you are saying that the goal posts should have been narrower for a Brexit.

 

[Edwin]

Tell me I'm reading this wrong, you are saying that the goal posts should have been narrower for a Brexit.

That's exactly what I was saying. There are concepts such as a double majority or an absolute majority that have been applied to momentous decisions in various other countries.

But don't forget the first part of my post when quoting the second! I said it "may" turn out "in the coming weeks and months".

Anyway, it's a moot point but an interesting thought experiment.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Morgan Stanley has just announced they're moving 2,000 jobs from London to Frankfurt and Dublin, according to BBC sources. These are likely to be high end, highly paid jobs since they're in the "investment banking" arm of the firm.

The majority of them in the 'euro clearing dept' whatever that means.

 

[ian]

So in all 'balanced reality' it's years away before they could even countenance it - by which time I am sure there will be a lot more stability and therefore a lot less potential 'OUT' voters.

...and by then, they'd be joining what's left of the EU as we know it!