EU Referendum

[Mark84]

Pound's bouncing back already, already up 4% on it's lows a couple of hours ago.

 

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Why on earth Corbyn didn't stick to his anti EU guns is beyond me. He sticks to his principles all the time, ever god dam losing principle that man has and he holds it closely until it explodes on him.

The one winning principle he has held for decades, and he ditches it. He's what we call a looser.

It's labour policy to stay in, he can't change that and that's why he is not enthusiastic about campaign to stay.
There are loads of labour party members that don't support it but quietly vote to leave, even Diane Abbot don't really support remain from time either.

 

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For me, all this economy talk is not really a thing, a lot of events cold trigger the same situation and city will bet either way and correct itself with a new baseline.

Pounds will be back and it will all be behind us in few weeks.

I hope now that we have decided to leave, all sides will have to work together to make sure our exit of EU does not break up our communities.

 

[zehrila]

My business is already affected. Pound sterling crashed hard, falls to 3 decades low http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...erling-surge-or-slump-as-the-eu-referendum-c/

I hope it is temporary :/

 

[websaway]

Why on earth Corbyn didn't stick to his anti EU guns is beyond me. He sticks to his principles all the time, ever god dam losing principle that man has and he holds it closely until it explodes on him.

The one winning principle he has held for decades, and he ditches it. He's what we call a looser.

Well he didn't exactly put any weight behind his argument. He had a tea party debate with a bunch of kids where he spent most of the time talking about Jo Cox and then defended our place in the EU by talking about workers rights and the 4 weeks holiday. And then of course saying you could reform the EU but uncapped immigration was not on that agenda showed he had no desire to support the remain campaign and stay. But there was a hedge, if we remained he felt he had a future promoting change in the EU to form a socialist Europe. He is a very self confessed Marxist and thankfully his window of opportunity is closing tight.

 

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Cameron is gone.. poor guy

 

[Edwin]

Cameron is gone.. poor guy

I never voted for him, but I agree wholeheartedly with that statement.

 

[websaway]

Oh, what a tangled web we weave: When first we practice to deceive!

Never has there been such a good example of this.

 

[denchomsky]

Magnanimous speech by Cameron and very sensible. IMO exactly the right thing to do. Steady the ship then have an election.
I predict Corbyn getting in. I think people will trust him to fairly distribute the billions we may now be able to spend on the UK to replace funding from the EU.

 

[spiderspider]

I predict Corbyn getting in

Won't it be more like a Tony Blair / Gordon Brown type of thing?

I didn't hear him call an election.

 

[Edwin]

Magnanimous speech by Cameron and very sensible. IMO exactly the right thing to do. Steady the ship then have an election.
I predict Corbyn getting in. I think people will trust him to fairly distribute the billions we may now be able to spend on the UK to replace funding from the EU.

It's not an election, it's a leadership election within the party. Tories will stay in government until 2020.

In other words, Boris or Gove are likely to be PM by the autumn.

 

[websaway]

I never voted for him, but I agree wholeheartedly with that statement.

Were you a UKIP voter. I couldn't imagine that you were a Milliband supporter, the coalition had just saved us from the labour mess, the liberals had committed suicide for the good of the country.

 

[Edwin]

Were you a UKIP voter. I couldn't imagine that you were a Milliband supporter, the coalition had just saved us from the labour mess, the liberals had committed suicide for the good of the country.

Liberal Democrat.

 

[denchomsky]

Won't it be more like a Tony Blair / Gordon Brown type of thing?

I didn't hear him call an election.

True, but I think it still might happen.

 

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Were you a UKIP voter. I couldn't imagine that you were a Milliband supporter, the coalition had just saved us from the labour mess, the liberals had committed suicide for the good of the country.

Nothing was saved, just postponed.

You keep saying labour mess, it's greedy market mess, labour might have been in power, but you can't keep saying labour mess...

 

[websaway]

Cameron is gone.. poor guy

How can he be a poor guy. He has acted as irresponsibly as he possibly could . He has talked the economy down and threatened the people of the country he leads with punishment if they don't do as he tells them. You have to ask what happened in his negotiations, we don't really know, as it is with the EU, things are done in corridors and with people we don't really know. He came back and exaggerated what he had achieved with the EU and pinned his hopes on there being more I'm alright jacks than truly concerned Britons. He got it wrong and has done the country serious damage.

 

[Edwin]

How can he be a poor guy. He has acted as irresponsibly as he possibly could . He has talked the economy down and threatened the people of the country he leads with punishment if they don't do as he tells them. You have to ask what happened in his negotiations, we don't really know, as it is with the EU, things are done in corridors and with people we don't really know. He came back and exaggerated what he had achieved with the EU and pinned his hopes on there being more I'm alright jacks than truly concerned Britons. He got it wrong and has done the country serious damage.

You won. Why not celebrate magnanimously, and let the people feeling despondent be despondent?

 

[BREWSTERS]

Okay, not sure why I am reopening this because I expect that I will just be shouted down and accused of falling for mis-information but ...

Walter Hallstein was never a member of the Nazi party and indeed rejected Nazi ideology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Hallstein
The only "information" I can find to support your theory re Hallstein is on a single website that could easily be accused of mis-representing facts (Also had an interesting article saying that there is good evidence to support that the Earth is hollow). Even so, thousands of people were forced in to the Nazi party just to be able to survive, and it is claimed that Hallstein joined professional organisations that were backed by the Nazi party only so he could carry on being a lawyer. After the war, he was never accused of any "crimes" and resumed his civilian life. England was saved invasion by the Channel and so never had to experience political repression and pressure such that the Nazi's imposed on their own people, and the rest of Europe.

He was not the first President of the EU, he was the first President of the Commission of the European Economic Community. There is no overall president of the EU as such:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Union

He was one of the founding fathers of the EU, along with Winston Chruchill and other European leaders and academics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_fathers_of_the_European_Union

You are using unsubstantiated information.

I appreciate that you've taken the trouble to make some checks which is more than some do, and I don't expect anyone to get a full overall picture without doing dozens of hours digging.

Noted your comments re WH presidency which is correct.

There are lots of documents linking him with the Nazi party before and throughout the war. And he isn't the only one...just the headline act.

 

[websaway]

Nothing was saved, just postponed.

You keep saying labour mess, it's greedy market mess, labour might have been in power, but you can't keep saying labour mess...

Read what I said and ponder. Read about corbyn's history. If you support him I will respect that but understand, firstly how labour left the economy in 2010 and where the old far left labour would take us. I appreciate it is personal opinion and I fully respect your freedom to have yours.

 

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How can he be a poor guy. He has acted as irresponsibly as he possibly could . He has talked the economy down and threatened the people of the country he leads with punishment if they don't do as he tells them. You have to ask what happened in his negotiations, we don't really know, as it is with the EU, things are done in corridors and with people we don't really know. He came back and exaggerated what he had achieved with the EU and pinned his hopes on there being more I'm alright jacks than truly concerned Britons. He got it wrong and has done the country serious damage.

I agree with your statement, we all know that, my statement poor guy is human sympathy, not for his political career.
I never trusted him, but he is a fellow human being hence the poor guy statement.