123REG Taking Liberties with your .uk domain registration rights

[mibut]

How did you first hear about them engaging in this promotion on registrants behalf? Emails from the registrar? Posts in their web site? Logging in somewhere? Other?

I didn't hear of this @promotion@. The first i knew of it anything was from the forwarded emails re id protect

This seems to be down to you being unfamiliar with some general domain name intricacies. I’d have thought all of this would be explained by your registrar in their presumed communications.

YOU presume their has been communication from 123-reg. There has been none.
If i cannot access the domains, they are not in my name, how on earth can i transfer or sell.
Regarding the ror being intact, 123-reg (my control panel) have stated that they have taken the precaution of registering all .uk relating to the co.uks i have with them. As of now, as far as i am aware they have not but i have no idea when or if they are doing this.
Complete lack of communication from 123-reg doing something which apparently i didn't opt out of although if you look at the pics i posted yesterday it does say that
these are domains that you did not accept or decline
Therefore i did not opt in or opt out

 

[philiporchard]

Article today that picks up some comments from AD here:

https://www.domainer.com.au/this-will-probably-end-in-tears/

 

[dog]

Was going to post this. Great minds think alike.

Article today that picks up some comments from AD here:

https://www.domainer.com.au/this-will-probably-end-in-tears/

 

[Edwin]

They’re having to fight their own battle over the introduction of .au, not unlike what we experienced with .uk.

 

[dog]

.AU is getting introduced. There is no turning back.

 

[domainscot]

So looking forward to the first DRS dispute with .UK going after a .co.uk domain. Thats when the building will crack.

 

[snoopy]

.AU is getting introduced. There is no turning back.

I don't think it will ever happening personally, Government review of AUDA now in progress and I think very low levels of public support. More AUDA directors to be voted out in the next couple of weeks.

 

[snoopy]

btw: has Nominet said anything more of their apparent support for the 123-reg auto billing?

 

[RobM]

The usual pattern of response to something they want implemented.
It happens, they listen to your complaints, they respond without actually letting you know their position and not actually saying you're right or wrong, you complain a bit more, they ignore you, you forget, they make money and their biggest unconnected registrars also make money, registrant gets shafted.

 

[RobM]

Oh I also forgot they tell you that it's for your own good, they and the large registrars are doing you a favour, then they send in their lapdog who has no teeth and can only make little yap yap noises to justify it. They then don't bother further with you.

 

[anthony]

So if someone filed a DRS against for one of these .uk registered domains currently under privacy, who would be the defendant? It couldn't be the innocent rights holder, as they have not entered a formal contract with anybody.

 

[Whois-Search]

So if someone filed a DRS against for one of these .uk registered domains currently under privacy, who would be the defendant? It couldn't be the innocent rights holder, as they have not entered a formal contract with anybody.

Identity Protect Ltd who have form for not replying causing a summary transfer:

Search “identity protect” on:
https://secure.nominet.org.uk/drs/search-disputes.html

That company is the legal registrant under the Nominet DRS and without using the Whois privacy framework.

Only under the UDRP would Whois privacy like that be removed.

 

[Systreg]

@Whois-Search, thanks, I hadn't seen the freebets case before, which was an interesting read.

@invincible I've just contacted you at the email address in your signature.

 

[grandwizard]

I Don't Believe 123 Reg Intends to steal any of these names BUT I will accept they have handled things very badly indeed.

 

[RobM]

They will. It's all about pushing the agreement to see what nominet will put up with and what clients will put up with. Apparently they can do whatever they want. The next thing will be 'doing you a favour' and reregistering domains in their name (only valuable ones or traffic domains of course) that would otherwise drop... It will come.

 

[fuzzer]

Made me think of this thread:

https://www.acorndomains.co.uk/threads/caught-a-domain-whois-anomaly.126060/

 

[RobM]

I suppose a simple question would be 'what have nominet and 123reg got that links them?' Once the answer to that is known then it would probably be obvious why they both act the way they do.

 

[Whois-Search]

The parent company (Godaddy) already allows you to sell the .uk

Pass on your .uk domain:

• If you do not wish to keep your .uk domain, no action is needed.
• If you would like to allow someone else to buy the .uk domain name prior the 10 June 2019 deadline (e.g. you may have been asked if you would be interested in selling the domain name), you could register the .uk domain name yourself and then transfer the domain name to the interested party.

https://uk.godaddy.com/help/right-to-reserve-guidelines-for-uk-domains-20251

And any expired domains (gTLDs) go to Godaddy auctions:

https://uk.godaddy.com/help/bid-on-expiring-domains-893

And they have an auto-renew policy on .uk

https://uk.godaddy.com/help/about-uk-domains-5854

What is stopping Godaddy in two years time forcing those rules on a million .uk names at 123-reg ?

Who’s to say the 123-reg brand will even still be around in two years time?

Name me one brand that Godaddy have bought and they have kept it ...

 

[Whois-Search]

In respect of some registrars (e.g. 123-Reg, Namesco, Key-Systems, FreeParking and possibly others - I’m just aware that these have all definitely participated)

So you have spoken to Volker (Key-Systems), Dickie (FreeParking), Kelly (Namesco) your fellow non-executive directors?

Isn't that a bit like speaking to poachers who turn gamekeepers?

You can't possibly know that Identify Protect Ltd have ever caused a summary transfer by not responding, unless you were party to one. Have you been?

See DRS D00016458 14/10/2015 Art To Life Limited vs Identity Protect Limited

See the experts explaination at the bottom:

Whilst no Response was received from the Respondent in time, the Respondent filed a non-standard submission with Nominet on 7 October 2015. The brief explanantion for the exceptional need was that, due to a failure at Identity Protect (the registrant), the end user only received the Complaint on 6 October 2015.

That is just one example of a summary decision.

You will be aware that Nominet send DRS complaints electronically by email and so it would take mere moments for Identify Protect Ltd to forward the emails to their customer after the email was opened. If their customer then chooses not to respond to the DRS, that's their prerogative.

You will also be aware you can't register one million .uk names without using the same email address.Therefore 123-reg likely used one email on all those .uk registrations?

When Nominet send a DRS it comes From: [email protected]

It is sent to:
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]

Can you confirm that even postmaster email is setup on those names?

Also any DRS would likely involve the .co.uk as well - the registrant of that is going to have a different email address?

The complainant will also have to file two DRS because there are two different registrants?

Are you sure this occurs? There's the section in the Nominet RRA relating to Accredited Channel Partners taking over domain names and requiring explicit content. Have you any examples of this occurring or not occuring?

Godaddy's explaination says "If a domain name registered with us after May 2, 2005 expires, we automatically list it for auction on GoDaddy Auctions® 25 days later".

On the auctions page it says "Announcing more expiry domains from international registrars Auctions has added domains from 123 Reg, Heart Internet, Domain Factory and Host Europe."

However when I go to https://uk.auctions.godaddy.com select Popular > Expiring > I can't see any .uk at the moment

Customers getting pi**ed off and voting with their feet? Name me some brands that you know Godaddy have bought....

From the latest deal Domain Monster has been closed already:

https://www.internetnews.me/2017/04/10/domainmonster-no-customers-migrated-123-reg/

 

[Whois-Search]

Not sure of the relevance of any of this and not sure you do either.

I hope that when board decisions are made regarding ROFR promotions etc that those board members with conflicts of interest leave the room? Currently all the elected board members have exercised the ROFR offer at work?

I presume you read all the way to the end and saw that the respondent retained the domain name because the complainant didn't prove a sufficient case for transfer?

I read to the end however my point was Identity Protect Ltd didn’t pass on the DRS complaint until it was too late.

This doesn't make any sense to me.
I am not following the relevance of this either.

When the .uk names were transferred in to Identity Protect Ltd then one contact ID would have been used. That means there is one email address for all the those names. Postmaster isn’t going to work because there are no name servers on these names.

DomainMonster was a HEG brand and Godaddy acquired HEG. I am asking you to cite a direct Godaddy acquisition (other than HEG).

See Acquisitions on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoDaddy

And for the avoidance of doubt I’m talking about the merger of back ends, staff and processes in two years time at 123-reg.