123REG Taking Liberties with your .uk domain registration rights

[timter51]

It was yes, do you feel this is a reasonable excuse to grab the .uk rights?

With TSO/Paragon it wasn't behind a privacy company but simply registered to Paragon Internet Limted

To give them some credit they jumped on it quickly and the name was placed back in my account and reg'd to me within an hour - any issue I've had with TSO has been dealt with quickly and professionally over the 3 years I've been with them - no complaints.

They got caught on this one, that's all. They're buying lottery tickets and hoping for a few winners... this is nothing short of scandalous.

 

[Whois-Search]

Practically the same thing. Paragon are acting as a proxy for the registrant rather than using a separately noted privacy entity as the proxy, as is the case with 123 Reg using Identity Protect Ltd.

Paragon is owned by HEG / Godaddy now:
https://www.heg.com/item/paragon-internet-group/

So yes it’s all the same thing

In fact at Companies House they have the same address as 123-reg / Identity Protect Ltd not the one on the Whois:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07573953

Maybe the different address at Companies House caused the suspended status:
http://registrars.nominet.uk/namesp...omain-management/data-quality/data-validation

 

[Whois-Search]

It will have been done by a HEG employee who now works for Godaddy most likely @xdnet

Investigation lock or Data quality lock would suspend the name as an ACP

http://registrars.nominet.uk/namespace/uk/security-tools-and-protection/investigation-lock

And DQ lock is applied to the contact:

http://registrars.nominet.uk/namespace/uk/data-quality/data-quality-lock

So all domains would be suspended...

 

[xdnet]

The domains are locked as an extra precaution while they are unclaimed, it has no impact on registrants being able to claim their .UK.

If anyone has a .UK domain held and needs to access it immediately this can be arranged if escalated to the Domains Team - I'm happy to do this until the claims process is launched in the next couple of weeks.

 

[timter51]

The domains are locked as an extra precaution while they are unclaimed, it has no impact on registrants being able to claim their .UK.

If anyone has a .UK domain held and needs to access it immediately this can be arranged if escalated to the Domains Team - I'm happy to do this until the claims process is launched in the next couple of weeks.

What happens if a domain is never claimed?

 

[Skinner]

I would guess in January 2020, various manoeuvres would have occured in the background and positioned GD Auctions to unload.

If there wasn't a makavelian plan underfoot, things would be made clearer if only to quell the masses, only the queen has a never explain policy.

 

[mibut]

The domains are locked as an extra precaution while they are unclaimed, it has no impact on registrants being able to claim their .UK.

If anyone has a .UK domain held and needs to access it immediately this can be arranged if escalated to the Domains Team - I'm happy to do this until the claims process is launched in the next couple of weeks.

Who do you work for xdnet as i complained, once again, to 123-reg (by ticket) and Nominet by phone this morning.

 

[Nigel]

The domains are locked as an extra precaution while they are unclaimed, it has no impact on registrants being able to claim their .UK.

If anyone has a .UK domain held and needs to access it immediately this can be arranged if escalated to the Domains Team - I'm happy to do this until the claims process is launched in the next couple of weeks.

What do you mean by 'unclaimed'. No registrant should have to claim their domain. That domain surely belongs to them already under ROR rules. Why weren't all these .uk domains added into the registrant's own nominet account? (I'm not saying I agree with this practice at all but you'd have expected them to appear in the registrant's own account on the day they were registered).

 

[timter51]

I'm actually dumbfounded by this, the audicity of it is breathtaking.

 

[RobM]

Even funnier that certain members behind this implementation are either stupid (because they don't understand why this is bad for clients) or dishonest (because they *do* understand why this is bad for clients). I wouldn't want to be either but clearly some people would sell their own grandma for a few quid. Please don't insult our intelligence.

 

[ian]

Exactly, they didn't register them in the names of the registrant (usually .co.uk owner) because of GDPR concerns, so they shouldn't have in the first place. Nominet proving here that they only care about the profits of their majority members, not the consumers. Lets face it, they've stamped privacy on them because it is a nice little earner (at renewal time) given whois protection is a 'free' right if you are a UK individual anyway.

 

[mibut]

The registrant has a right to it. Until they claim it, or it expires, nobody else can have it.

Unfortunately 123-reg are not allowing the registrant, not sure if that is the correct term in these circumstances, to have it.
The last time someone actually replied to me at 123-reg,on the 9th,
" However, if you allow it a few more days, all of the domains will be automatically added to your 123-REG Control Panel from where you can fully manage them."
Its now the 20th, what is your definition of a few days?
If we take a look at https://www.nominet.uk/resources/complaints/#registrar
You can see that 123-reg fall down on THREE of the six issues mentioned.
Registrars not transferring domain names when requested
Service timescales not being stated clearly
Registrars registering domain names in their own name without the explicit permission of the registrant

He doesn't work for 123-Reg.

So Nominet or a domain registrar?

 

[mibut]

Have you raised the above as a complaint with the registry (Nominet)?

As mentioned above, contacted them again today, which makes it 3 times, all by phone.

When speaking about whois. once again i will point in the direction of what Nominet publishes on its website.https://www.nominet.uk/resources/complaints/#registrar

Complaining about incorrect WHOIS data
Our WHOIS tool is a valuable source of information about .UK domains. To work effectively, it must meet the following criteria:

The information provided against a domain must be good enough to allow users to contact the registrant quickly, without having to find more information elsewhere
It must not be deceptive, and must clearly identify registrants
It must list a registrant name that, in legal terms, corresponds exactly with a legal entity with whom we have a contract.

 

[mibut]

There are 34 domains.
Today i suggested that Nominet could change the tag and put in my name..
Seemed to go down like a lead balloon.
Was told, once again, that they would speak with the 123-account manager. Mentioned that was now the 3rd time that i had been told this.
Replied that rather than rely on email, would go and see them as a short walk to the next building.
He emailed me back today

"I have just spoken to our Host Europe Group account manager (123 Reg are part of that group), and he is finding out what we can do.

I am hopeful that we will be able to obtain authorisation to act on their behalf and return the .uk's that should (eventually) be put back under your control.

I will be in touch as soon as I have news.

Please do contact me if you have any questions.

Kind regards, "

 

[martin-s]

Absolutely appalling behaviour

 

[ian]

It appears there is much you don't understand.

It's a stretch for you to say registrars shouldn't have registered the domain names [for their customers] in the first place because of their GDPR concerns in relation to populating the WHOIS. Factually it's much easier for the registrar to undertake the process for the registrant with respect to all the data match requirements. I am aware of smaller registrars who've had to step in to hand hold their customers through the process because their customer couldn't match the data.

It's registrant address opt-out that is free if the registrant is a non trading individual. This is in no way as extensive as full WHOIS privacy which also includes the registrant name.

Factually. Nominet and most retail registrars look forward to the day when the RoR has passed. Nobody has any idea what the renewal rate of .uk will be like in 2019/2020/2021.

I look forward to the day you can give your own opinion and not just tow the party line. I won't hold my breathe though

 

[RobM]

Yeah like you'd recognise a clue lol
Seriously though - don't you feel scummy supporting ripoffs? Who do you think your rubbish is fooling? I would hate to be you.

 

[ian]

Is that your opinion or are you suggesting that for once you have a clue?

Now I never suggested I had a clue , but at least I speak for myself Evening all.

 

[mibut]

All the above is strongly suggesting to me that you haven’t been in touch with the registry. The above appears to relate to conversations you’ve had with your registrar, not the registry.

Invincible, that was with Nominet, as i have already posted.
The guy at Nominet that i have spoken to, 3 times, is Tim Dalby, - Customer Resolution Team .
Does that make a difference to you now as, judging from your posts on this, you seem to like jumping to conclusions and giving the impression that the customer, as in me, is wrong, and that 123 and nominet are right.
Instead of pontificating, can you suggest what else i can do to get the names, which i never requested to be registered, into my name and control.

 

[RobM]

I'll answer for him - 'Yip yip yip yip yip yip!' Now someone throw him a doggy treat and perhaps he'll go away.