.uk V2.0 Questions to Nominet & their Answers

[GreyWing]

The majority of people on here are currently looking to guide v2 through in the best way that causes least harm to themselves, myself included in this. For example if nominet decided to reserve maps.uk or a premium name which someone else on here owned which they had plans for, they would soon change their tune, and wouldn't be calling it collateral damage.

Someone once told me this great analogy,

Difference between major and minor surgery? Major surgery is what happens to me, minor surgery is what happens to others.

After reading this forum over the last fortnight. I'm start to see exactly what he meant.

 

[Stephen]

Sorry it has come to this.

It's official - I'm done with this issue on Acorn.

You can meet me at the round table meeting if you like. I'll also post a link if I publish my consultation response and/or additional support material.

But I'm not going to waste the next 60 days of my life taking abuse day in, day out when I've already done a damn sight more to affect the process in our collective favour than 99% of the mud slingers ever did.

Very sorry you have decided in your course of action.

For my part you have still already contributed more than most to the V2.0 debate.

As well as being the champion of V1 .uk without which Nominet probably got it's way and introduced .uk
in a manner that even Nominet seem to acknowledge would have been very damaging to the UK namespace.

See you at round table next week and I'd still like to buy you a drink!

I do hope at some time you will reconsider your position as your insight and knowledge would be surely missed
in getting the UK namespace to better place, wherever that my be.

 

[websaway]

It's official - I'm done with this issue on Acorn.

You can meet me at the round table meeting if you like. I'll also post a link if I publish my consultation response and/or additional support material.

But I'm not going to waste the next 60 days of my life taking abuse day in, day out when I've already done a damn sight more to affect the process in our collective favour than 99% of the mud slingers ever did.

Dummy and pram spring to mind.
But look, you benefit from this forum just like we all do, we have to take the good with the bad.

I don't mind you fighting your corner, god knows we all have to, more power to your elbow. The only thing I have taken exception to was your method of getting rid of the trade mark issue, you purported to be championing the cause of UK businesses, now it's too much trouble.

 

[Retired_member41]

I think Edwin is an extremely generous person, in business and with his time.

Like Edwin, Stephen et al, they have looked at and answered every question, and gave very informative responses. Others may post allot, but they are succinct and discussing other people's work, no lengthy reports of their own to read, similar to fans telling a football manager what to do.


Edwin reported on these proposals in full, and IMO he put the report first and his own needs second. It's fine to make sure that your own needs are included, but when they form less than 10% of something, he should be applauded.


Official member of the Edwin fan club

 

[Murray]

The consensus opinion is that it's going to happen (that's what I believe as well)

Find your own champion, or do the heavy lifting yourself.

The main reason I actually feel like it will now go ahead is because I don't see people like you who seemed so vehemently against V1 with the same passion and fight against V2.

I wonder how many others feel the same.

I'm still a noob, without people like you and greywing fighting the good fight I'm a bit of a headless chicken and wouldn't even know where to start to even begin contemplating organising anything myself.

 

[markb]

This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me determined not to be the one taking all the flak this time around. What gives you the right to argue a general issue by making it personal?

Hi Edwin, please accept my apologies I didn't mean to make it personal or have a go at you in anyway. I was just trying to show the fact that nobody is bothered about the reserved names as it doesn't effect the majority of people, but if it did effect people, they wouldn't be saying that v2 of the consultation is fair.

I don't think you should leave the conversation on here, especially not if its related to my comments, but I do think its wasting everyone's time talking about this issue, when I'm sure we all have businesses to run.

 

[julian]

Can anyone else hear the tumbleweeds...?

 

[murph]

Well, it certainly looks like Nom had a plan here... and it's worked!

 

[archibel]

Couple of questions on this (please forgive me if they have been answered before but I haven't been following these events closely):

(1) Is the Nominet Whois "Registered On" date the "relevant date" when comparing the periods of current registration for each extension (i.e. the date Nominet will look at to see which UK extension holds the longest registration)

(2) From Edwin's earlier Nominet quote, it looks like changes in "ownership" during the current registration period are irrelevant...only the length of time since the current registration period started.

Does this mean there is now a land-grab for org.uk domains where the current registration period exceeds that of the .co.uk?

(3) If I hold the registration for a good generic .co.uk which is older than the other UK extensions with no website, but the .org.uk has a trading business on it (and has done for several years)...do I still get first refusal under the proposals?

Thanks.

 

[Retired_Member38]

Yes for all 3.

Though with your land-grab comment, it would be a speculative gamble on the release not changing further between now and it actually happening (or it could even be a speculative gamble on it happening at all)

 

[Murray]

Couple of questions on this (please forgive me if they have been answered before but I haven't been following these events closely):

I think the answer is yes to everything you said.

 

[Stephen]

New Questions please?

Added under new Question under Consultation Process

Will Nominet please add the "time" of registration to the Whois record for domains registered on the same day?

So far after 10 pages of thread only Edwin & Skinner has asked questions to Nominet that nobody else can provide an answer to.

Please can you post new sensible questions that should be raised with Nominet, that will move on the debate:
as to whether .uk should go ahead at all
or what should be changed in V2.0 to make it work better.

 

[GreyWing]

Please can you post new sensible questions that should be raised with Nominet, that will move on the debate:
as to whether .uk should go ahead at all
or what should be changed in V2.0 to make it work better.

Mate I think it would help if people didn't divert the thread and turn it into a debate thread, got plenty of those. The thread kind of got lost pretty quick and mirrored other threads.

To work I think it needs to be strictly kept to questions and not people giving their opinions (including me), well in my opinion anyway. Plenty have other threads if people want to discuss them.

I think probably best to start a new clean thread with strict rules.

 

[Stephen]

Please keep posting

....I think probably best to start a new clean thread with strict rules.

Thanks, my first thought is to keep this thread and if people wonder off "to far" from offering questions or answers, but I don't want to dictate content or the way people wish to express themselves.
But if they stray too far I can refer to your post #101 and ask them not to let it go the way of the first 10 pages, with a lot of off topic content.

But it feels like there is a lot of apathy, fatigue and resignation on this forum regarding V2.0 of Nominet .uk proposal, since the details were published.

 

[Stephen]

Another Big Hurdle to Overcome?

Today, 2 severe blows to making progress with debating Nominet's V2.0 .uk proposal.

First Edwin's sudden departure, from making contributions and using his vast knowledge of the subject, to help get a better way forward with .uk

and secondly this reply from Nominet on the Questions raised regarding .uk V2.0 with them:

To: 'Stephen'
Subject: Consultation on second level domain registration

Dear Stephen

Thank you for your interest in the consultation on second level domain registration. This email responds collectively to your emails of:
Tuesday 2 July, 08.37
Tuesday 2 July, 10.45
Tuesday 2 July, 11.28
Tuesday 2 July, 18.51

Based on our experience in managing the first consultation, we are reluctant to get into highly detailed correspondence with individual stakeholders on a one to one basis. We believe it is fairer to all stakeholders if we collate queries and update the Q&A material on the website periodically so as to address issues of general interest to our stakeholders. We are reviewing your emails, in particular the long list of questions you sent through yesterday, along with other early feedback and questions we have received, and will consider whether these require that we publish further Q&As.

You have raised a number of questions some of which relate specifically to how certain procedures would work if the proposals go ahead as set out in the consultation. We believe that a number of your questions are addressed in the consultation documents, therefore I would recommend that you read the consultation document, background and further information, and the Q&A. In some cases your questions relate to issues on which we are specifically seeking input in the consultation so I would also encourage you to provide your views in your response to the consultation.

Kind regards
Policy Advisor
Nominet​

I'm very surprised and obviously enormously disappointed by the Nominet reply.

 

[jonbyrne]

I would be interesting to find out what date the .sch.uk domains are recorded as registered on. The whois is recorded against the thirst level but I am unable to find any record as to the second level.

If it is 1st October 1999 which is when the domains for schools initiative seemed to launch then the following domains people would be trumped by the .sch.uk

barnsley.co.uk
brighton-hove.co.uk
gloucs.co.uk
scilly.co.uk
leics.co.uk
n-yorks.co.uk
rotherham.co.uk
bathnes.org.uk
bromley.org.uk
calderdale.org.uk
cambs.org.uk
stockton.org.uk
tameside.org.uk
wrekin.org.uk

I have only ran the English domains so far.

 

[markb]

Nominet are saying that they want to release the .uk before the new GLTDs are releases. All that the new GTLDs are going to do is cause confusion to the general public and small businesses, they won't take off and challenge the .co.uk. This in turn will strengthen the existing .co.uk and .com domains as this is what people are used to and understand.

What nominet will actually achieve by releasing the .uk is to cause confusion with the UK public which will hinder the uk name space and maybe drive people to use other extensions.

 

[GreyWing]

Did Nominet not object to the launch of the GTLD's a few years ago? If so, what where their objections and could these objections be used to show why .uk is a bad idea?

Their historic views must be on record somewhere...

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Sorry they have chosen not to get involved in comms Stephen, I'm a little disappointed that they have chosen to sit as impartial people again despite them coming up with the proposals. Nothing to do with me gov, just seeking views, that was the biggest mistake of v1

 

[Stephen]

3 Added Questions

I would be interesting to find out what date the .sch.uk domains are recorded as registered on. The whois is recorded against the thirst level but I am unable to find any record as to the second level.....

Thank you - Added as Question on post no.1

.....What nominet will actually achieve by releasing the .uk is to cause confusion with the UK public which will hinder the uk name space and maybe drive people to use other extensions.

Thank you - Added as Question on post no.1

Did Nominet not object to the launch of the GTLD's a few years ago? If so, what where their objections and could these objections be used to show why .uk is a bad idea? ...

Thank you - Added as Question on post no.1


If anybody would also like any questions removed or adjusted just post and state why please?

 

[markb]

Stephen, could you add a couple of question regarding their reserve name policy?

1) Has the government departments asked for the .uk names to be reserved for them or is this just a proposal by nominet.

2) Are there any alternatives solutions that they could use for these domains, i.e. a different extension, or different domain names which are FTR?

3) If there is no other solution and these reserved names cannot be changed, then what compensation will nominet be giving the oldest uk registrant which should have had the opportunity to register the .uk?


Regards
Mark