The new Real Time DAC

[bb99]

Have any decisions been made about the proposed dac changes? i.e. has there been any turnaround regarding droplists/allowances or suspended tag?

No decisions have been made - Nominet are reviewing the situation but are yet to announce their conclusions. Tick tock!

 

[redbird]

No decisions have been made - Nominet are reviewing the situation but are yet to announce their conclusions. Tick tock!

Is the clock still ticking or does the battery need changing?

 

[bb99]

Is the clock still ticking or does the battery need changing?

My understanding is that the changes have been postponed so there will be no changes to the DAC or its T&Cs on 7 April.

But I have no official confirmation of this - it's just a rumour

 

[dtm]

The launch of the new DAC services has been postponed. We are still reviewing the changes to the DAC terms and conditions. The new DAC services will not be made available on 7 April 2009 as previously announced. We will announce a new release date once the review is complete. Our current DAC service remains fully operational until this time.

That's official, from Introduction

 

[bb99]

Hooray :razz:

 

[Paullas]

i wouldnt count your chickens yet they will do something they just dont know what yet..

 

[tifosi]

i wouldnt count your chickens yet they will do something they just dont know what yet..

Indeed, there will be changes and changes are needed. I just hope everyone with any vested interest - of all kinds has not stuck their head in the sand (like many do..) and given some constructive input to Nominet through the required channels.

I bet most don't.

S

 

[Paullas]

i dont think it is a case of people wont, i think it is a case of people dont know how to or what to say. from people ive spoken to they look for a leader to guide them...

 

[monaghan]

All you need to do is to put the same gripe you'd post here and send it to Nominet. If everyone affected did that then Nominet would have a far bigger picture than they currently have.

 

[aZooZa]

Phone them and also email them: [email protected].

 

[blacknight]

All you need to do is to put the same gripe you'd post here and send it to Nominet. If everyone affected did that then Nominet would have a far bigger picture than they currently have.

Agreed

I sent them a short email saying that I wasn't overly happy with the changes and referred to some of the points I'd raised in a thread on Nom-steer

There's no reason why you couldn't point them at this thread on here as well, as they're probably reading it anyway

 

[afx]

They will do something just to save face, remember Nominet is ran by people who never ever make mistakes; sorry I'll rephrase that, never ever admit making mistakes.

I would estimate with just the secondary market players on this board there are circa 500,000 co.uk names owned. Over the last five years with renewals, transfers and chargeable tag changes generated by portfolio owners flipping names; the numbers equate to several million pounds (which all helps to pay the egregious backdated bonuses). But hey ho, we're still all vermin whose interests count for nothing; (unless of course you're one of the big 3 registrars, then there's plenty of room at the trough).

I expect the usual comments from the usual suspects, about how portfolio owners are a special interest group (Steve, James, Hazel et al), and the hackneyed "but what about the wider stakeholder community, blah blah blah". The same poor people who bemoan that they can't get a one word generic name for their business are the same people who refuse to have a free to reg five quid name with hyphens that could just as easily describe their business. I want a penthouse flat in Mayfair, except I can’t afford one and get on with my life and don’t cry foul because someone smarter / richer happens to own it.

Regardless of your moral view of the secondary market, it is a legitimate legal practice and those who engage in it should not be labelled as an unethical bunch of cybersquaters. I personally don't even like the term domainer; it is often used by the ignorant interchangeably with the term cyber squatter.
How is it that someone who owns a load of houses / land is a "property developer", and I don’t recall Tesco being called squatters when they go around buying up every available patch of land near residential areas. Yet if you own a few hundred or several thousand co.uk domains you're in the cross hair. I'd prefer portfolio owners simply be known as website developers with the ambiguity removed. If a patch of land remains undeveloped, physical or virtual, who has the right to demand that something must be put on it immediately to validate its existence and the owner’s rights to it?


I would suggest that Nom-steer is canned along with the PAB which is ultimately toothless and largely ignored. Instead I think interested parties from both sides of the debate should get in a room and try and have some sort of meaningful dialogue to improve the relationship between portfolio owners / members and Nominet, or I think the only winners in this will be BERR as Nominet will cease to exist.

Of course I've went off at a tangent here, but I'd rather voice my opinions here than the waste my time with Nom-steer tennis.

RANT MODE <off>

 

[aZooZa]

They will do something just to save face, remember Nominet is ran by people who never ever make mistakes; sorry I'll rephrase that, never ever admit making mistakes.

I would estimate with just the secondary market players on this board there are circa 500,000 co.uk names owned. Over the last five years with renewals, transfers and chargeable tag changes generated by portfolio owners flipping names; the numbers equate to several million pounds (which all helps to pay the egregious backdated bonuses). But hey ho, we're still all vermin whose interests count for nothing; (unless of course you're one of the big 3 registrars, then there's plenty of room at the trough).

I expect the usual comments from the usual suspects, about how portfolio owners are a special interest group (Steve, James, Hazel et al), and the hackneyed "but what about the wider stakeholder community, blah blah blah". The same poor people who bemoan that they can't get a one word generic name for their business are the same people who refuse to have a free to reg five quid name with hyphens that could just as easily describe their business. I want a penthouse flat in Mayfair, except I can’t afford one and get on with my life and don’t cry foul because someone smarter / richer happens to own it.

Regardless of your moral view of the secondary market, it is a legitimate legal practice and those who engage in it should not be labelled as an unethical bunch of cybersquaters. I personally don't even like the term domainer; it is often used by the ignorant interchangeably with the term cyber squatter.
How is it that someone who owns a load of houses / land is a "property developer", and I don’t recall Tesco being called squatters when they go around buying up every available patch of land near residential areas. Yet if you own a few hundred or several thousand co.uk domains you're in the cross hair. I'd prefer portfolio owners simply be known as website developers with the ambiguity removed. If a patch of land remains undeveloped, physical or virtual, who has the right to demand that something must be put on it immediately to validate its existence and the owner’s rights to it?


I would suggest that Nom-steer is canned along with the PAB which is ultimately toothless and largely ignored. Instead I think interested parties from both sides of the debate should get in a room and try and have some sort of meaningful dialogue to improve the relationship between portfolio owners / members and Nominet, or I think the only winners in this will be BERR as Nominet will cease to exist.

Of course I've went off at a tangent here, but I'd rather voice my opinions here than the waste my time with Nom-steer tennis.

RANT MODE <off>

Excellent post indeed. I think this is the crux of it: "I personally don't even like the term domainer; it is often used by the ignorant interchangeably with the term cyber squatter."

 

[rob]

Excellent post indeed. I think this is the crux of it: "I personally don't even like the term domainer; it is often used by the ignorant interchangeably with the term cyber squatter."

Would agree with that - however actions of a minority do affect others and anyone with a collection of domain names ought to take positive steps on changing that perception.

This is from the smaller new domainers right up to the guys with top dollar names still acting in a damaging manner.

 

[Whois-Search]

Would agree with that - however actions of a minority do affect others and anyone with a collection of domain names ought to take positive steps on changing that perception.

This is from the smaller new domainers right up to the guys with top dollar names still acting in a damaging manner.

Also interesting to watch events across the pond: CADNA Supports the Introduction of the Cybersecurity Act of 2009

 

[rob]

From nom-announce just now:

DAC update

As previously announced the planned release of the new DAC tools has not
gone live today. We are currently reviewing the DAC and its terms and
conditions in the light of discussion with the PAB and feedback from some
of our registrars and will make an announcement shortly. The current DAC
is still being provided, unchanged, until further notice.

 

[essexboy]

Has anything changed over the last month or so with the dac? My previously working script for scanning my master list is now stalling after so many thousand rows??? Should I still be pointing at the old dac? were the allowances changed as per plans and the delayed dac in action?

 

[DaveH]

Nothing has changed as far as I'm aware.

 

[aZooZa]

Has anything changed over the last month or so with the dac? My previously working script for scanning my master list is now stalling after so many thousand rows??? Should I still be pointing at the old dac? were the allowances changed as per plans and the delayed dac in action?

No, nothing has changed. Maybe your latency is fluctuating and you're getting blocks? Mind you, it is Saturday and the DAC likes to play up at weekends

 

[essexboy]

ok thanks. It's not a block as i kicked it off yesterday about 3pm, checked this morning and it's stopped on about 150,000 rows? i'm only running it on a vm on my mates server in his garage mind. Need to sort out some hosting if i do any catching!