Question for Nominet

[grantw]

If you can point me to a case where Nominet sent out transfer forms to another address other than the one of record, I will personally go to Nominet and insist the person who did it is sacked.

I moved house recently and havent had chance to update my whois details yet - every transfer I have done recently I have asked for the transfer form to be sent to my new address (without explaining that I have just moved) - the forms were sent with no questions asked?


Grant

 

[grantw]

A while ago I sold a typo of multimap .co.uk - Nominet misread the domain name in the email and actually sent me the transfer form for multimap .co.uk which obviously is not in my name or registered to my address.

Grant.

 

[aqls]

If you can point me to a case where Nominet sent out transfer forms to another address other than the one of record, I will personally go to Nominet and insist the person who did it is sacked.

They are not supposed to do it, I have been assured they don't, so give me proof of "bollocks" and I'll make damned sure it doesn't happen again. But if you have no proof, show some integrity and stop making unsubstantiated comments.

It seems everybody and his dog thinks they have a right, but some of you don't even show a responsibility to your own registrations. You want the right to say bollocks? Earn it! It comes with a responsibility price tag!

Regards
James Conaghan

I've done it twice.

You either believe it or not.

Forget this "responsibility" "earn it" "right to say bollocks?" "I'll get them sacked" crap.

-aqls-

 

[Jac]

I moved house recently and havent had chance to update my whois details yet - every transfer I have done recently I have asked for the transfer form to be sent to my new address (without explaining that I have just moved) - the forms were sent with no questions asked?

Grant

Please PM me with domain names and further details. I meant what I said. If Nominet is not following its own procedures then hard questions will be asked. (But I need facts.)

Regards
James Conaghan

 

[Jac]

I've done it twice.

You either believe it or not.

Forget this "responsibility" "earn it" "right to say bollocks?" "I'll get them sacked" crap.

-aqls-

Bollocks!

Jac

 

[grantw]

Here you go :

Dear Mr Weaver

I am pleased to confirm that a transfer form will be in the post to you 
tonight.

Kind Regards

xxxxxxx


xxxxx xxxxx
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Registrant Services Department
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Nominet UK
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OX4 6LB
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Subject
transfer form


Hi, could you please send me a transfer form for the domain guns.co.uk 
to the following address:

Grant Weaver
xx xxxxxx Road
Sheffield
South Yorkshire
Sxx 1xx

Many thanks, Grant Weaver

whois guns .co.uk and you will see that it is not regd to the address the forms have been sent to.

Grant

 

[aqls]

Bollocks!

Jac

you are a really funny guy.

-aqls-

 

[bb99]

Just to add fuel to the fire, I have requested transfer forms for domains that I don't own without explanation and received them fine - on two separate occasions.

Likewise I know that someone else did it on one of my domains without my knowlegde (I was surprised when they mentioned it).

I'm not however prepared to name names because I like the people at Nominet and I don't want them to get sacked.

I had no idea that it wasn't standard procedure - in fact I thought that it was standard procedure and that Nominet weren't bothered about this issue because the checks when a transfer is carried out are so rigorous.

It is well documented on here that it happens - off the top of my head this thread seems to cover it.

 

[aqls]

It can be useful when the other party to the transaction is slow off the mark, so you can part force the issue.

But the dangers highlighted here earlier far outweigh this issue.

-aqls-

 

[Jac]

Here you go :

Dear Mr Weaver

I am pleased to confirm that a transfer form will be in the post to you 
tonight.

[/QUOTE]

Thanks for providing some coherent evidence Grant. I'm happy to take this further but I cannot do anything without evidence. So I trust the more reasonable among you will understand my frustration with being bombarded with accusations against Nominet ad infinitum, when you are the first person who's put their money where their mouth is. 

Thanks
James Conaghan

 

[Jac]

you are a really funny guy.

-aqls-

I can be.

I can also be considerate and reasonable; but only if they are reciprocated.



Regards
James Conaghan

 

[aqls]

I don't quite understand why you don't respect the anonymity of the forum members.

Especially when it has been shown our domains are at risk from prowlers, sneeks, thieves and Nominet.

-aqls-

 

[texidriver]

Bollocks!

Jac

........
By way of corroboration for the above-viewpoint, here's something topical to think about. I would point out (to everyone) that you are posting on a public forum that includes the following preconditions in its own "Terms and Conditions of use".

"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned.

You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum
have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should
they see fit.".......

 

[Jac]

I don't quite understand why you don't respect the anonymity of the forum members.

-aqls-

Uh? I did actually ask GrantW to PM me so he wouldn't feel at risk. He choose to send his message publicly. If he doesn't mind, neither do I. Personally, I'm happy to be open and transparent, but I can appreciate others don't feel that way... but I always ask people to PM me if they want.

Especially when it has been shown our domains are at risk from prowlers, sneeks, thieves and Nominet.

Just like in every industry, there are good guys and bad guys and there's always someone trying to scam something from you in this world and not everybody on this forum is your friend. But I didn't make it that way by coming along; it was already so. Anyway, caveat emptor applies. It always a good idea to trust no-one you haven't got in yours sights; and even then, with caution.

Incidentally, your domain names are less at risk by Nominet, than by the prowlers and sneeks you mention but you have to understand what I've been trying to get through on this forum since months ago: the rules apply to everyone equally. It is not Nominet's job to be vindictive or indiscriminate; but it is Nominet's job to apply the rules. If a complaint is made, by whoever, they have to do it.

Regards
James Conaghan

 

[Jac]

........
By way of corroboration for the above-viewpoint, here's something topical to think about. I would point out (to everyone) that you are posting on a public forum that includes the following preconditions in its own "Terms and Conditions of use".

"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned.

You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum
have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should
they see fit.".......

How very self-righteous of you. Did the aliens forget to remove your anal probe?

Regards
Jac

 

[aqls]

It's a bit like arguing with a monkey (yes I have tried it) or perhaps that fish Dorey from Finding Nemo.

But never mind.

I think my personal details would be at great risk if I gave them to you, pm or not. You have shown yourself to be only too ready to name domain owners names on this forum.

And as for demanding for someone to be sacked in Nominet on an issue you hadn't a clue on until a few minutes ago, well, back to the first sentence.

-aqls-

 

[Jac]

I think my personal details would be at great risk if I gave them to you, pm or not. You have shown yourself to be only too ready to name domain owners names on this forum.

Incidentally, if you are going to make these sweeping statements, please point me to where I used domain owners names on this forum where they hadn't already identified themselves?

Regards
James Conagha

 

[aqls]

Yes I would like that issue addressed please and thank you.

I'm sure that you are with me on this issue anyhow to protect any domains you may hold.

I wish your dog luck

-aqls-

 

[retired_member16]

It astounds the hell out of me that you can boast about this kind of shennanigans on a public forum. If I was you (or him) I'd be inclined to keep schtum about infringements of domain name rules that apply to every other body who might just see this kind of infringement as unfair.



They do not send to anyone, anywhere. They send to the registrant address of record. If you are going to make wild and exaggerated claims can you at least have the good grace to get the facts right.

As an aside, your own transfer forms were sent to your address. You were the one who sent them on the the receiving party who signed your name.

Regards
James Conaghan

People have been doing it for years.

It seems that you are not fully clued up as to the workings of Nominet.

My facts are perfectly correct, it is you that is wrong and for someone in your position, its another big worry.

 

[Jac]

People have been doing it for years.

It seems that you are not fully clued up as to the workings of Nominet.

My facts are perfectly correct, it is you that is wrong and for someone in your position, its another big worry.

Well firestars, I have seen no evidence on your alleged facts, and I believe in giving the accused the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty. I do not work at Nominet so I do not keep a daily eye on their operations nor is it my job to. If I ask a question and I am told they are doing something by the book, I have to believe them. Had it not been for grantw actually posting some evidence, I would have been none the wiser.

Just because someone tells you your girlfriend is doing it with the guy next door, you are not likely to believe it until you catch them in the act or someone shows you some evidence. This is the first evidence I have seen on this particular subject (and then I get accused by aqls of naming domain name owners when grantw had already identified himself as er... Grant).

I don't even know you, and you are telling me you are right without showing me your evidence. Why should I believe you anymore than you choose not to believe me?

Anyway, this is going round in circles; the matter has been raised with the appropriate person but I doubt they'll be able to investigate until Monday.

Regards
James Conaghan