Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[GreyWing]

If it was my customer I'd register it and give it to them, if it was your customer (or anyone else's) I'd register it and milk them dry.

This site is pretty moral too, imagine when the word gets out to worldwide cybersquatters. UK based my backside, UK public will be lambs to the slaughter.

Thankyou for your honesty Sean - this is exactly my view too.

I think that is how we all see it to be honest.

 

[domainseller200]

I wouldn't be contacting anyone telling them they should secure the .uk version of their .co.uk. It's their responsibility and whether they have it or not makes no difference to me.

As for me buying it up, it'd depend on the name. If it were a well known brand I wouldn't waste my time buying it up in an attempt to sell to the the .co.uk owner. I have enough legal issues as it is and wouldn't fancy another one for the sake of a domain flip.

If however it were a keyword domain or a generic word/phrase then I'd buy it and use it or sell it for a price I considered it to be worth personally rather than who is on the .co.uk or how deep their pockets are.

I'm all for people buying domains and profiting from them. I've done it myself, a lot. I don't agree with people buying up brand names on lesser extensions with a blatant attempt to get money out of the established .co.uk or pricing domains based on how deep the pockets are of the interested party.

I am the same re: brand names, but generic names I have the same view as you. This is why some of the comments in this thread are laughable, as they are arguing what is right / wrong / fair / unfair knowing full well they hold the same viewpoint as both you and I in the situation I presented.

 

[Edwin]

I wouldn't be contacting anyone telling them they should secure the .uk version of their .co.uk. It's their responsibility and whether they have it or not makes no difference to me.

As for me buying it up, it'd depend on the name. If it were a well known brand I wouldn't waste my time buying it up in an attempt to sell to the the .co.uk owner. I have enough legal issues as it is and wouldn't fancy another one for the sake of a domain flip.

If however it were a keyword domain or a generic word/phrase then I'd buy it and use it or sell it for a price I considered it to be worth personally rather than who is on the .co.uk or how deep their pockets are.

I'm all for people buying domains and profiting from them. I've done it myself, a lot. I don't agree with people buying up brand names on lesser extensions with a blatant attempt to get money out of the established .co.uk or pricing domains based on how deep the pockets are of the interested party.

I agree with that, especially the part I've bolded above. That's why we have fixed pricing on all our 7,000 .co.uk domains - so that there is no temptation to "size up the buyer" and gouge them if it looks like their pockets are deeper.

 

[domainseller200]

I think that is how we all see it to be honest.

Which totally flaws the argument of anyone saying about the "businesses who will lose out by not knowing etc" and "it isn't fair to those who have already bought the .co.uk name on the aftermarket with a date newer than the .org.uk and will lose it to them etc", as they are the same people who would register the name and sell it to them for an inflated price if the opportunity was there.

 

[domainseller200]

That's where the hypocrisy comes in, last time the biggest argument that was being made against direct.uk was the cost to business for stationery etc.. The majority of those arguments are still relevant yet the sky's no longer falling down. The biggest argument now is how we can slice this up in a way that best benefits us.

Voilà

 

[Retired_Member42]

I think what's fair overall and what people will do for money are two different things. I don't think it's fair people who've bought aftermarket .co.uk lose out to .org.uk but if I own the .org.uk I won't think twice about selling it to them for the value I consider the domain to hold.

My threads personally have been about outlining the flaws in the proposed release plan as it is unfair to certain parties but in reality, I win more than I lose and in terms of my own business, I'd rather have 3 domain options that work with my marketing model than 2. So, I guess I want it to happen but I don't want to see people lose out either.

 

[GreyWing]

Which totally flaws the argument of anyone saying about the "businesses who will lose out by not knowing etc" and "it isn't fair to those who have already bought the .co.uk name on the aftermarket with a date newer than the .org.uk and will lose it to them etc", as they are the same people who would register the name and sell it to them for an inflated price if the opportunity was there.

I don't think it does flaw the argument. People are warning Nominet that the proposed rules allow such behaviour. If someone on here loses a £50k name because of the rules (Obviously scale up or down the 50k name depending on what they lose.), why would I expect them not to play the same rules not to recoup the 50k from 100 businesses at £500 each. I'm not going to judge them or their morals for it. But equally I have full sympathy for those 100 businesses. I don't think they are two different arguments. Of course some won't look to recoup losses, they will just do it to outright profit from it.

 

[domainseller200]

I don't think it does flaw the argument. People are warning Nominet that the proposed rules allow such behaviour. If someone on here loses a £50k name because of the rules (Obviously scale up or down the 50k name depending on what they lose.), why would I expect them not to play the same rules not to recoup the 50k from 100 businesses at £500 each. I'm not going to judge them or their morals for it. But equally I have full sympathy for those 100 businesses. I don't think they are two different arguments. Of course some won't look to recoup losses, they will just do it to outright profit from it.

It flaws that argument from those who do have their own agenda but are choosing to hide behind a moral mask.

 

[Sound]

That's where the hypocrisy comes in, last time the biggest argument that was being made against direct.uk was the cost to business for stationery etc.. The majority of those arguments are still relevant yet the sky's no longer falling down. The biggest argument now is how we can slice this up in a way that best benefits us.

Well said Sean

Honesty is what is missing from most of the posts in this thread

 

[GreyWing]

It flaws that argument from those who do have their own agenda but are choosing to hide behind a moral mask.

Why? They'd stand to gain more from v2 by doing that? Why hide behind a moral mask when they would gain more from not being seen to be moral and going with the flow?

 

[domainseller200]

Well said Sean

Honesty is what is missing from most of the posts in this thread

Which is why I wanted to add some to the mix

 

[foz]

Most extension releases have domainers at the ready, it's nothing new or specific to .uk.

I do believe domainers can see how it will effect "all" as we are so engrossed in the field, but if Nominet do press the button, it will be all on for young and old (if you are prepared to hold over for 4-5 years).

 

[domainseller200]

Why? They'd stand to gain more from v2 by doing that? Why hide behind a moral mask when they would gain more from not being seen to be moral and going with the flow?

Because most domainers would prefer to have 1 sale at £50k and deal with 1 person than 100 sales at £500 dealing with 100 different people if nothing more but from a time, effort and admin point of view.

 

[GreyWing]

Because most domainers would prefer to have 1 sale at £50k and deal with 1 person than 100 sales at £500 dealing with 100 different people if nothing more but from a time, effort and admin point of view.

We'll I'd assume once they started they wouldn't stop at 100 names to be honest. I don't see anyone stopping at equity, once they have a sniff of blood they are going for the kill and that's where the massacre comes in.

If you are asking would I personally get involved in it? I don't think I would, but depends on how generic it is and if it is sat there unregistered, also maybe because I'm not a big portfolio owner anymore may have something to do with it I admit. What I fear is that people go after "bobsfishandchips.co.uk" and small independent sites, hit them for a quick flip.

That doesn't make my stance contradictory, I could make much more doing that than arguing against the release mechanism. But if someone is telling you those are the rules, I'm not blaming anyone but Nominet for what happens.

 

[Murray]

Would you email the person / company who bought the .co.uk domain to tell them the .uk name was free to register or would you register it yourself with a view of possibly selling it to them or someone else further down the line ?

Genuine question and one I would really like to see some honest answers to.

Id register it to sell all day long.

 

[domainseller200]

We'll I'd assume once they started they wouldn't stop at 100 names to be honest. I don't see anyone stopping at equity, once they have a sniff of blood they are going for the kill and that's where the massacre comes in.

If you are asking would I personally get involved in it? I don't think I would, but depends on how generic it is and if it is sat there unregistered, also maybe because I'm not a big portfolio owner anymore may have something to do with it I admit. What I fear is that people go after "bobsfishandchips.co.uk" and small independent sites, hit them for a quick flip.

That doesn't make my stance contradictory, I could make much more doing that than arguing against the release mechanism. But if someone is telling you those are the rules, I'm not blaming anyone but Nominet for what happens.

I am not blaming anyone but Nominet either. I am a capitalist, the same as all other domainers who have invested.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on how .uk goes ahead, I just prefer mine to not be dressed up as something it isn't.

There will be winners and losers regardless of the outcome of .uk but to think for one second that whichever way it is released that it needs to be "fair" to Joe Bloggs, is not living in the real world. As long as domainers exist, Joe Bloggs is majority irrelevant in the release process, as domainers will always find a way to capitalise on them as it is how we make a living. Like it or not, that is a fact.

 

[domainseller200]

Id register it to sell all day long.

Thankyou for your honesty. Perhaps now you can see (as others have too) that what I was saying is correct, regardless of fair and unfair.

 

[Retired_Member38]

There is a difference between what is fair, and what we're all no doubt going to do when this bloodbath begins.

I don't think some things being suggested in this thread are fair, or even close to it. But if its going to go ahead and I can see a situation I can take some cash out of, then I'm going to do it. I might as well... if I don't then someone else will.

 

[Murray]

Thankyou for your honesty. Perhaps now you can see (as others have too) that what I was saying is correct, regardless of fair and unfair.

I should of said assuming it was of general value, not if there was only ever going to be one buyer because it was very specific.

 

[domainseller200]

I should of said assuming it was of general value, not if there was only ever going to be one buyer because it was very specific.

I took that as what you meant anyway