Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[monaghan]

I don't get why these names would be reserved under the proposal http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/GOVUKreserveddomains.pdf

Aren't they just openly admitting that confusion is possible now by reserving these? It might be me being a bit thick again.

If they are admitting that confusion is possible then they are setting precedents for DRS's and courts.

Given that these reserved domains are government, then why should these grab the new business domains? Surely most of these should be .org.uk as they are non profit.

It is just muddying the waters before we've even got out the door

 

[jonbyrne]

They don't mention it being a business domain anymore though from what I have read so far.

 

[GreyWing]

They don't mention it being a business domain anymore though from what I have read so far.

They are exactly the same as they were 9 months ago. Don't be fooled by that mate. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks... it's a duck.

 

[Skinner]

I hadn't read it all, I was just scanning throught it as I'm waiting for a taxi at the moment.

Lots of LTD and PLCs exist from way back when, wonder why they exclused .net.uk, some are old as the hills, star.net.uk was around when I first came to the internet. I should dac star.co.uk vs star.net.uk and which was first.

Grant will need to update his script again to compare and see how the addition alter the cambridge data.

They say this in the document



So this confirms your thoughts. The .Sch is probably the most interesting as currently the registrations are at the fourth level.

 

[monaghan]

Lesley Cowley, Chief Executive Officer at Nominet, said: “We listened to the extensive feedback on the initial consultation and the revised proposal is significantly different as a result. We believe this is the right step to safeguard the long-term relevance of the .uk namespace in the face of unprecedented competition. By attracting more consumers and businesses to a trusted and reliable online home, we can continue to make a strong contribution to the thriving UK digital economy. But we are determined to harness the views of stakeholders so that, if we proceed, we do so in a way that is fair and practical.”

If the name is already gone in a .uk format then it won't help a new business setting up in .uk as the original registrant will take the .uk

If a new business was serious about getting a UK name, then surely they will have already got a .co.uk already. I just don't understand why they seem to suggest there will be a huge benefit to business.

Perhaps the question they need to be asking is why are there businesses not registering a .co.uk despite the huge sums they have invested into promoting .co.uk already. Which TLD's get all this UK business instead of .co.uk?

If a decision to go ahead is taken, Nominet would notify existing registrants by email, and would run an awareness campaign to ensure that existing registrants have every opportunity to exercise their right of first refusal.

This just tells the current owner that they have to buy the name or someone will cyber squat on their existing web home, blackmail by spam emails from a "trusted registry"!

 

[Murray]

Under the current proposal as I'm reading it, is there no cut off date for first to register to get the rights to the .uk?.. doesn't seem to be

.co.uk, .org.uk, .me.uk, .ltd.uk, .plc.uk, .sch.uk

Say a good co.uk is dropping in the next few months and the rest of the above are FTR, If someone registers the ftr org.uk before the co.uk drops they get the .uk?

The answer seems to be yes atm right?.

 

[Nigel]

What on earth are they thinking?

"If a decision to go ahead is taken, Nominet would notify existing registrants by email, and would run an awareness campaign to ensure that existing registrants have every opportunity to exercise their right of first refusal. Nominet would also offer existing .co.uk, .me.uk and .gov.uk registrants the opportunity to validate and verify their data for a nominal fee. However, this would not be mandatory."

Why not email them about the consultation then and let normal users give their thoughts. Oh yes, that's spam but emailing them telling them about a new product for double the price isn't?

I'd like to see the legal opinion that says its spam to consult, but not spam to sell

 

[Retired_Member38]

Out of 95 UK domains we own, we'll be taking the .uk on 4 or 5 of them because we actually want them. And probably another 15 or 20 more because I feel they can be resold / prevent my .co.uk becoming worth less on its own.

The rest we're not going to bother with.

 

[addz123]

I thought the consultation papers were quite interesting, they seemed much more honest and candid about it then the first one. I like that they admitted they made mistakes treating the first draft like a new gtld as opposed to extension of uk namespace.

I find it hard to be against .uk this time round in all honesty, especially when they have clear/fair questions and specifically mention the two letter short domain auctions from 2011. I can't actually decide how to respond so will probably just ignore it right now.

Edit: I should add that even though I'm happy with the protection of my current websites/domains, I have no idea how I'd proceed buying domains for projects going forward, I can only imagine I'd need the pair together. It would be nice if Nominet answered who .uk is specifically intended for or whether I should keep using a .co.uk. As Monkey has said before, I'd rather go for a .com which ironically would hurt value of UK namespace going forward.

 

[websaway]

Out of 95 UK domains we own, we'll be taking the .uk on 4 or 5 of them because we actually want them. And probably another 15 or 20 more because I feel they can be resold / prevent my .co.uk becoming worth less on its own.

The rest we're not going to bother with.

We'll see.

 

[websaway]

If the name is already gone in a .uk format then it won't help a new business setting up in .uk as the original registrant will take the .uk

If a new business was serious about getting a UK name, then surely they will have already got a .co.uk already. I just don't understand why they seem to suggest there will be a huge benefit to business.

Perhaps the question they need to be asking is why are there businesses not registering a .co.uk despite the huge sums they have invested into promoting .co.uk already. Which TLD's get all this UK business instead of .co.uk?



This just tells the current owner that they have to buy the name or someone will cyber squat on their existing web home, blackmail by spam emails from a "trusted registry"!

You've said it all here.

 

[addz123]

I've changed my mind. I'm now against .uk based on confusion to the UK namespace.

I don't know what domain is for what anymore. If I don't know which domain I'm supposed to choose for my business how is this supposed to be an improvement to namespace. Nominet needs to specifically answer who and what .uk is intended for before this goes ahead. If .uk is for anyone then does that mean I shouldn't bother with a .co.uk or .org.uk anymore? And by definition they are failing to support current 3rd level domains if that's the case because they lose autonomy.

 

[Stephen]

ex gov reserved .uk - compensation

I don't get why these names would be reserved under the proposal http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/GOVUKreserveddomains.pdf

Aren't they just openly admitting that confusion is possible now by reserving these? It might be me being a bit thick again.

If they are admitting that confusion is possible then they are setting precedents for DRS's and courts.

I dont own any of them but I hope they are going to compensate the owners who would have been eligible to get the .uk under whatever rules are finally agreed upon.

Also I hope Nominet have registered all FTR .co.uk and .or.uk to reduce any issues.

 

[Nigel]

I can't see that nominet mentioned about the winners of the short domain auction. Did I miss something or are nominet letting them sweat it out for a few months?

 

[Stephen]

It looks that way on cut off dates

Under the current proposal as I'm reading it, is there no cut off date for first to register to get the rights to the .uk?.. doesn't seem to be

.co.uk, .org.uk, .me.uk, .ltd.uk, .plc.uk, .sch.uk

Say a good co.uk is dropping in the next few months and the rest of the above are FTR, If someone registers the ftr org.uk before the co.uk drops they get the .uk?

The answer seems to be yes atm right?.

It looks that way and that makes sense to me.

although it will be interesting as you say, to see about FTR .org.uk on dropped domains for the next few months.

Close to the point for admin purposes they may have to have a cut off date in 2014 due the process raking so long.

Also interesting they left out .ac.uk and .net.uk.

 

[websaway]

It's official.
All registered names ( and if they are not registered now they will mostly be brandables for new businesses in the future ) will get the equivalent .uk.
What is a business supposed to do, continue using their current domain, or change to the new .uk. If they change, what do they do with the name they were using, if they don't change what do they do with their new registration ?

Apart from the secondary market in domains, and the obvious windfall for Nominet.

Am I missing something ?

 

[Retired_Member38]

I dont own any of them but I hope they are going to compensate the owners who would have been eligible to get the .uk under whatever rules are finally agreed upon.

I didn't check them all, but a bunch of the .co.uk's are registered to the correct department already, so nobody losing out, for example:

http://whois.domaintools.com/gamblingcommission.co.uk/
http://whois.domaintools.com/nationalarchives.co.uk/
http://whois.domaintools.com/natlotcomm.co.uk/
http://whois.domaintools.com/metoffice.co.uk/

Or they are unregistered, like rail-reg.co.uk

Unsure if http://www.ofgem.co.uk/ is actually owned by the person it should be, or someone attempting to squat on it.

The real stinking result in that excluded list is clearly Independent.co.uk.

 

[Stephen]

basic mistake

I thought the consultation papers were quite interesting, they seemed much more honest and candid about it then the first one. I like that they admitted they made mistakes treating the first draft like a new gtld as opposed to extension of uk namespace.

I find it hard to be against .uk this time round in all honesty, especially when they have clear/fair questions and specifically mention the two letter short domain auctions from 2011. I can't actually decide how to respond so will probably just ignore it right now.

Edit: I should add that even though I'm happy with the protection of my current websites/domains, I have no idea how I'd proceed buying domains for projects going forward, I can only imagine I'd need the pair together. It would be nice if Nominet answered who .uk is specifically intended for or whether I should keep using a .co.uk. As Monkey has said before, I'd rather go for a .com which ironically would hurt value of UK namespace going forward.

On reading V2.0, I think that they have made a basic mistake, thinking that all the issues were raised about the UK namespace through the last V1 .uk consultation.

Although many points outside the scope of .uk were raised,
I believe it is huge stretch by Nominet that those limited scope views should alone shape the .uk namespace.

Lets hope this time Nominet will clarify certain items as they go along this time, like the 2 letter auction,
rather than Nominet say, "this is only a consultation" and we don't have a view or we dont need to consider that etc.
Hopefully this new found honesty your refer to and openness is not just superficial.

My first question I would like answered by Nominet, is what does the new advert for "a great place to be" look like,
in explaining to the wider public how .uk fits into the choices available in the UK namespace?

 

[Stephen]

ex-gov uk getting .uk

I didn't check them all, but a bunch of the .co.uk's are registered to the correct department already, so nobody losing out, for example:

http://whois.domaintools.com/gamblingcommission.co.uk/
http://whois.domaintools.com/nationalarchives.co.uk/
http://whois.domaintools.com/natlotcomm.co.uk/
http://whois.domaintools.com/metoffice.co.uk/

Or they are unregistered, like rail-reg.co.uk

Unsure if http://www.ofgem.co.uk/ is actually owned by the person it should be, or someone attempting to squat on it.

The real stinking result in that excluded list is clearly Independent.co.uk.

I wish Nominet would register all FTR asap, like the example you mention of rail-reg.co.uk

Agree about independent.co.uk, but cps.co.uk a pre Nom with a real business will not be probably to impressed.

But news.co.uk will get news.uk!

 

[Edwin]

The tone of the second consultation document is light years away from the first. Nominet are bending over backwards to sound "reasonable" all the way through. Frankly, it reads even better than the summary they've teased us with for the last week or so. The questions are structured much less leadingly too. Overall, it seems they've taken all the lessons of the utter chaos surrounding V1 on board, and applied them effectively to this second round.