Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[markb]

Sorry to join in here without reading all the thread. Are nominet saying they will offer the .uk to the person who owns the oldest registered uk domain name regardless of whether they are using it or not?

For example if someone owns the .org.uk that was registered in 2005 and have a fully functional website on it, but the .co.uk has never used the domain but has owned it since 2003. Will the .co.uk get first chance to get the .uk domain because he has owned it the longest?

If this is the case, it is probably the fairest that I can imagine in a bad scenario.

 

[Bailey]

Edwin is potentially preventing 6000 people from developing sites. Again to be clear I don't object to him doing that as such - they are his domains and he is free to do with them whatever he likes. What I do object to is him being gifted 1000's more of them at reg fee, to repeat the process with. He bought the first lot and can park them till 2050 for all I care... but its bizarre for anyone to argue that Nominet should gift edwin a load more. They don't owe him a living, and they're doing the uk internet industry in general a massive disservice if they go down that route.

Now we are drilling-down. You want to re-invent the UK domain space - guess you wasn't there at the beginning (or brave enough) to take a punt.

Ps I still can't get over you paying £17K for Monkey.co.uk - each to our own

 

[scooter]

Maybe Edwins only had the time to build 10 sites. The other 2990 like yours, are queued to be done. What is the difference between your "to be dones" than Edwin's "to be done"?

Edwin has registered a shit load more names than you so that means he has a shit load more time he has to apply to get them developed.

There is no difference between your "to be dones" names and Edwins portfolio.



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[Retired_Member38]

Maybe Edwins only had the time to build 10 sites. The other 2990 like yours, are queued to be done. What is the difference between your "to be dones" than Edwin's "to be done"?

Edwin has registered a shit load more names than you so that means he has a shit load more time he has to apply to get them developed.

There is no difference between your "to be dones" names and Edwins portfolio.

Now you're just being silly. Clearly edwin has no intention to develop them - they all have for sale pages on them. And obviously the sheer volume and randomness of the topics points towards no intention of developing them. I'm happy to discuss most things regarding this... but lets at least keep the points semi-sensible at least

 

[Retired_Member42]

I think running a domain sales business / site and listing the domains for sale on it is a lot different to purchasing a domain and doing nothing with it until it's developed. I'm not sure why you'd list a site for sale on your own site if you wanted to develop it? Not sure why you'd acquire 6,000 of them if you can only develop 10 either...

 

[scooter]

Now we are drilling-down. You want to re-invent the UK domain space - guess you wasn't there at the beginning (or brave enough) to take a punt.

Ps I still can't get over you paying £17K for Monkey.co.uk - each to our own

I do not have my glasses on. Was that:
£One thousand seven hundred?

or
£Seventeen thousand?


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[Retired_Member38]

Now we are drilling-down. You want to re-invent the UK domain space - guess you wasn't there at the beginning (or brave enough) to take a punt.

Ps I still can't get over you paying £17K for Monkey.co.uk - each to our own

I think it was 13 or 14... but you might be right. Feel free to tell us all how much I should have paid for it, I'm interested to know how much I overpaid by

 

[GreyWing]

But there is no presence. That's the problem. If there was, I wouldn't have any objections. Owning a domain and listing it for sale for 20x it's value is not a commercial presence in my opinion.

Why isn't there a presence? The shop is there, it has no goods on the shelves maybe but the shop is most certainly there.

 

[Retired_Member42]

I heard the .org.uk was 8k, 14k is a good price.

 

[scooter]

Now you're just being silly. Clearly edwin has no intention to develop them - they all have for sale pages on them. And obviously the sheer volume and randomness of the topics points towards no intention of developing them. I'm happy to discuss most things regarding this... but lets at least keep the points semi-sensible at least

But do you not see there is no difference in Nominet's eyes?
(rightly so)



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[Retired_Member38]

I do not have my glasses on. Was that:
£One thousand seven hundred?

or
£Seventeen thousand?


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I hope you will take this in the light hearted way it was intended...

But I've had a quick look at your sites. I've compared them to mines. You questioning business decisions I'm making is sort of like the tea lady telling Alan Sugar he's doing it wrong

 

[Bailey]

I feel like we are talking to somebody very new to domains - but clearly with money to spend 'Monkey'

Your not going to reinvent the UK space , no matter how much you protest. The Market will dictate. The UK launch can work as a domain extension focus - but it has to build-in it's current geographic - I do think Nominet have got it about right (there was never going to be a winner)

 

[Retired_Member38]

I've been buying domains and developing sites for 10 years - I'm comfortable pricing things up and buying accordingly. I'm not new to domains, but I'm certainly not a domainer either as I've never once bought a domain with the sole intention of selling it.

How much is Monkey.co.uk worth then? Both before .uk was announced, and right now (assuming it had no site on it)

 

[scooter]

I hope you will take this in the light hearted way it was intended...

But I've had a quick look at your sites. I've compared them to mines. You questioning business decisions I'm making is sort of like the tea lady telling Alan Sugar he's doing it wrong

ouch!
If you look at my sig the only site that belongs to me is the .tv and I make a reasonable living from it. The other 2 are friends of the family.

I'm not questioning any business decisions you are making. I am questioning why your domain portfolio should be treated in Nominet's eyes any differently to Edwins?


PS:
Do a search on any google extention for: ezcap




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[Bailey]

I think it was 13 or 14... but you might be right. Feel free to tell us all how much I should have paid for it, I'm interested to know how much I overpaid by

In my eyes - about £700 to £1,500 would have been about right. For a fancyable/doable but equably 'negative' connotation word (with drive to buy) in .co.uk

Since you asked

 

[Retired_Member38]

ouch!
If you look at my sig the only site that belongs to me is the .tv and I make a reasonable living from it. The other 2 are friends of the family.

I'm not questioning any business decisions you are making. I am questioning why your domain portfolio should be treated in Nominet's eyes any differently to Edwins?

Current portfolio? Absolutely no difference in my 20 or 30 domains in comparison to Edwins 6000. But its a whole different ballgame when you're looking at creating a brand new extension, and looking at a fair way to distribute them.

I would say that if you go outside of a domainers forum and explain the situation to people... none of them will think its a good idea to give a domainer thousands of them at a price that is massively below the real market value, to allow him to sell them on.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me publicly on this forum - but I think most of you know I'm right.

 

[GreyWing]

But if people need a new commercial ext and need more names, why not start up .net.uk or .gt.uk and have them on there. Nobody would give a dam to be honest how they were released then.

Why does it have to be at a higher level?

 

[Retired_Member38]

In my eyes - about £700 to £1,500 would have been about right. For a fancyable/doable but equably 'negative' connotation word (with drive to buy) in .co.uk

Since you asked

We wanted a single word, animal/bird/insect/similar type domain - we emailed loads of them. We were getting some prices back at significantly more than we ended up paying.

You need to rule out any that are difficult to spell like rhinocerous (proving my own point by having that red underlined as I type it, clearly I can't spell it either), along with any with negative connotations - skunks smell, wasps sting you, sloths are lazy, etc etc.

So there isn't actually that many available. Some people are saying I've overpaid... some saying its a fair price. The domain price is going to be largely irrelevant anyway. Consider all the other spending on the project, along with the fact I might have paid £14k in year one but its only reg fee from years 2 onwards. I'd rather pay £14k for a domain I liked, than cut corners and pay £5k for one I hated.

Both Elephant and Tiger having financial comparison sites on them is hardly helping you get a cheap one either - anyone else with a similar domain knows this and are holding out for better prices.

Monkey (or any other easy to spell, friendly, brandable type animal) is never a £700 domain in the .co.uk extension in a million years.

 

[Retired_Member42]

I think the whole point was to show that domain.uk was a legit UK website. It's hard to do that if it's on a lesser extension. You can't say, hey this website is really from the UK/has a UK owner if it's on an extension which is lesser than one owned by an American (for example). It has to be a level above to have any credibility.

 

[Bailey]

I would say that if you go outside of a domainers forum and explain the situation to people... none of them will think its a good idea to give a domainer thousands of them at a price that is massively below the real market value, to allow him to sell them on.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me publicly on this forum - but I think most of you know I'm right.

Yep, we've got the clue.

We are talking to someone that understands Markets - but never brave enough to take that initial (risky) punt/invest, end of story