New Registrar Agreement

[DaveP]

@ DaveP, that sounds like a right load of faffing around, in future, I'll ask buyers what tag they want to use and I'll just do a tag change straight after the transfer, actually, better of just de-tagging names after transfer and letting buyers sort what they wont.

The buyer didn't receive anything from Nominet regarding the transfer, so I've told him I can either de-tag it and he can add a tag at his end, or let me know which tag he wants and I'll do a tag change at my end.

Hi mate,

The trouble is they have to request the transfer one way or another so that the new registrar can link up the domain to their account. I tried already transferring to Domain Monster without first requesting a transfer of the domain and the domain simply got lost, and thus had to contact their support to rectify the problem. I think it's the same with 123-reg and I'm sure is the same with others.

Thanks,
Dave

 

[diablo]

What's the score with these free transfers, am I doing it right?

I just did my first one, got to the bit where you choose "add new", added the buyers details and clicked to complete the free transfer, the domain now has the buyers details as the registrant in the Who-Is, but the domain is still on my tag, I assume the buyer now has to do something at their end to complete the transfer and put it on another tag of their choice?

I contacted Nominet about this, asking for the TAG change to be included as part of the free transfer process.

They said it would be passed on for consideration, but that TAG changes could still be done as before for free so it wasn't included. I think it would save a little time and effort if it was part of the free transfer, just as it is the paid transfer.

Nothing else has changed - the buyer always had to alert their Registrar that an incoming domain was for them.

I always ask a buyer what Registrar they want to use and then I look up the transfer procedure for that Registrar, sending the link to the buyer so they know what to do. Saves a lot of problems.

 

[Systreg]

That's all too much messing about for my liking, so I wont be bothering to do any more free transfers unless buyers accept that I'll de-tag the domain straight after the transfer, and they can do whatever needs doing from their end, either that or they can pay the usual £12 registrant transfer fee.

Yes, I agree the tag change should be an option during the transfer process, would save a lot of messing around, I did ask the buyer for a tag prior to doing the transfer, as I though that might have been an option already, seems obvious really.

 

[redbird]

Under the old system as part of the transfer process the buyer tells Nominet the TAG to change it to.

Under the new system the buyer would tell you and you do a release.

As far as Registrars accepting transfers etc. Nothing has changed.

I agree changing TAG as part of transfer would be simpler, but not really that difficult to do a separate release once you have confirmed the reg details are correct on whois. By having it separate it does mean if you messed up registration details then you get a chance to correct for free while still on your TAG

All sounds perfect to me, but not done one yet

 

[diablo]

That's all too much messing about for my liking, so I wont be bothering to do any more free transfers unless buyers accept that I'll de-tag the domain straight after the transfer, and they can do whatever needs doing from their end, either that or they can pay the usual £12 registrant transfer fee.

Yes, I agree the tag change should be an option during the transfer process, would save a lot of messing around, I did ask the buyer for a tag prior to doing the transfer, as I though that might have been an option already, seems obvious really.

It takes as much effort to detag a name as retag it.

 

[diablo]

Under the old system as part of the transfer process the buyer tells Nominet the TAG to change it to.

Under the new system the buyer would tell you and you do a release.

As far as Registrars accepting transfers etc. Nothing has changed.

I agree changing TAG as part of transfer would be simpler, but not really that difficult to do a separate release once you have confirmed the reg details are correct on whois. By having it separate it does mean if you messed up registration details then you get a chance to correct for free while still on your TAG

All sounds perfect to me, but not done one yet

The most important part of the transfer is the Registrant's name - that cannot be changed whether it is still on your TAG or not.

 

[Systreg]

The buyer just replied and said he wants it moved to go daddy, but decided to just go for a normal transfer as it will be easier, but again, it won't let me transfer a domain that doesn't have my email address attached to that domain. I had that problem last week when I transferred 274 domains, it gave an error and wouldn't let me send one of the domains. It turned out that the domain was caught for me by DomainMonster and had a different email address to my usual Nominet tag email address, so I had to change the address and pay another £12 to send that domain seperately.

I prefer the old system, enter domain, enter email address, submit, done. I'm not messing around doing this and that and back and forth, so feck it, any transfers from now still have to be paid for via the old registrant transfer system, I'm not bothering with free transfers at all.

Same if I buy any domains or have any caught, I'd rather keep paying £12 than have hassles, I have zero patience for things like that. Just asked a catcher to send me one of the normal registrant transfers.

 

[diablo]

The buyer just replied and said he wants it moved to go daddy, but decided to just go for a normal transfer as it will be easier, but again, it won't let me transfer a domain that doesn't have my email address attached to that domain. I had that problem last week when I transferred 274 domains, it gave an error and wouldn't let me send one of the domains. It turned out that the domain was caught for me by DomainMonster and had a different email address to my usual Nominet tag email address, so I had to change the address and pay another £12 to send that domain seperately.

I prefer the old system, enter domain, enter email address, submit, done. I'm not messing around doing this and that and back and forth, so feck it, any transfers from now still have to be paid for via the old registrant transfer system, I'm not bothering with free transfers at all.

Same if I buy any domains or have any caught, I'd rather keep paying £12 than have hassles, I have zero patience for things like that. Just asked a catcher to send me one of the normal registrant transfers.

Sounds like you just need to merge some accounts.

Those £12s add up over a year.

A little work now putting everything in order and working out a system for transfers will save you a lot of money in the long run.

But as always, you pays your money and you takes your choices!

 

[redbird]

The most important part of the transfer is the Registrant's name - that cannot be changed whether it is still on your TAG or not.

Why not it's just another free transfer?

EDIT: I think I may be getting confused as I only have my own names on my TAG

 

[Systreg]

Sounds like you just need to merge some accounts.

Those £12s add up over a year.

All the domains on my tag are in the same account, it was just the single domain that DomainMoster caught for me that had a different email address associated with it.

I've paid enough £12 quids over the last 5 years, so a few more wont hurt, I'm scaling back my domaining anyway, as I'll be off doing other non domain related stuff in the near future.

 

[Systreg]

Just tried de-tagging the domain and get:

Not released for reason: V101 Domain names cannot be detagged in the first month of registration. If you wish to cancel this domain name please refer to http://www.nominet.org.uk/go/delete.

Having not done that before, I didn't know that FFS

 

[redbird]

Just tried de-tagging the domain and get:



Having not done that before, I didn't know that FFS

I suspect it is something to do with not being invoiced for it yet

 

[Systreg]

The buyer sent me another email saying he thinks he's transferred it in to GoDaddy now, no idea what happens now, do I get a notification from GoDaddy or what, to my email or in my Nominet account? Nothing has arrived in either.

Fecking nightmare, old system, paste domain, paste email addy, click, check, done.

[edit]

Of course, as daveP said earlier:

for example one can login to Domain Monster and request the transfer there, once this has done you just need to release the domain onto said registrar's tag using the good old release command.

[edit]

And done, now on Godaddy tag, never again. I don't think it has helped that I've been awake since I go up yesterday, I didn't feel good when I went to bed at 5:00am this morning, didn't sleep and got back up at 6:15am, so I'm a bit wound up today.

 

[grantw]

The buyer sent me another email saying he thinks he's transferred it in to GoDaddy now, no idea what happens now, do I get a notification from GoDaddy or what, to my email or in my Nominet account? Nothing has arrived in either.

Fecking nightmare, old system, paste domain, paste email addy, click, check, done.

I don't get what the issue is, you're basically just doing the majority of the regular transfer on behalf of the buyer.

Enter the buyers details to change the ownership.
Tell the buyer to login to their registrar and initiate the transfer in.
You change the TAG to that registrar.

Done!

Grant

 

[redbird]

I would just change TAG to GoDaddy then if he says that it's up to buyer to sort out if it doesn't work as it is in his name and his registrar tag - Nothing you could do if you wanted to at that point

 

[diablo]

I don't get what the issue is, you're basically just doing the majority of the regular transfer on behalf of the buyer.

Enter the buyers details to change the ownership.
Tell the buyer to login to their registrar and initiate the transfer in.
You change the TAG to that registrar.

Done!

Grant

+1

with the bonus it is now free!

 

[redbird]

I don't get what the issue is, you're basically just doing the majority of the regular transfer on behalf of the buyer.

Enter the buyers details to change the ownership.
Tell the buyer to login to their registrar and initiate the transfer in.
You change the TAG to that registrar.

Done!

Grant

Exactly - same process as always was apart from fact seller now does 2 out of those three things whereas previously it was buyer. The actual process is no different to what it always was regarding buyers registrar

 

[Systreg]

I don't get what the issue is, you're basically just doing the majority of the regular transfer on behalf of the buyer.

Enter the buyers details to change the ownership.
Tell the buyer to login to their registrar and initiate the transfer in.
You change the TAG to that registrar.

The thing was, I didn't know what happened after step one, because before, the buyer used to get an email to complete the transfer, but apparently that doesn't happen now with the free transfers, so I was wondering why it was still on my tag after the transfer was supposedly completed, and then it got confusing from there, not helped by my not sleeping for over 24 hours now.

I wont be using the free transfer again anyway, so problem solved for me

 

[redbird]

The only reason the buyer used to get an email was because HE had to complete registation details - He no longer has to do that (seller does) so there is no need for an email.

All buyer has to do is add to his registrar account same as he always had to which was nothing to do with Nominet.

Don't give up on free transfers we have wanted these for years!

 

[grantw]

Does anyone know if it's possible to change the ownership details using the Automaton or do you have to go through that crappy domain manager?

Cheers, Grant