EU Referendum

websaway · Jun 22, 2016

seemly said:
Yep. If it's in the Daily Mail, it must be true.
Anyone who references the Daily Mail as proof or to backup any argument instantly loses said argument and any credibility they have/had.

You can tell what type of person someone is when you find out what news source(s) they read.

Yes I know what you mean but the stories are so outrageous I can't resist. Probably just smoke no fire.
Has the mail withdrawn it's claims ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ated-marital-rape-violence-against-women.html

websaway · Jun 22, 2016

Just searching the Daily Mail archives to see if they have withdrawn these claims and issued an apology.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ated-marital-rape-violence-against-women.html

Toonz · Jun 22, 2016

I forget who it was who described the Daily Mail as everything that's wrong about Britain masquerading as everything that's right.

They seem to have managed to be on the wrong side of history on just about every significant step forward of the past 100 years.

It's not about reporting the news, it's about playing to fears and pandering to prejudice of 'the other'.

The migrants are coming. Be afraid.

There will always be a ready-made market for this slop. Fortunately we live in the age of the internet, so there's now no excuse to avoid a sensible news source. I still look in on the Mail to see what they're coming out with, but more for 'research purposes*' than newsgathering.

(*OK, and the occasional glance at the sidebar of shame

)

websaway · Jun 22, 2016

Just wondering if there is any vitriol in saint Bob's heart.
The picture has probably been doctored.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tack-brave-vote-Leave-Great-Britain-back.html

signature · Jun 22, 2016

websaway said:
Wow, you can't believe a word Cameron says, can you.
The Mail is great for exposing things most want to hide.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ns-accused-critics-terrorist-sympathiser.html

I don't even think he read the article before he post the link, if he does he will realise that there was no accusation of any link to anything, just single quote statements.

Also this is the same guy that said he use to be a fan of Cameron until he came back with a daft deal from Brussels, now he is saying we cant believe a word Cameron says. We know we cant trust everything the PM says, we are not really disappointed when he says one thing and does the opposite.

He publicly apologies to Sadiq Khan and the Imam in the Commons even if he does not meant it, that's enough embarrassment for him.

If you are going to accuse anybody of anything, please come up evidence, not just hearsay printout from Daily Mail.

Second question for you, still waiting for answer to my first one:

Define 'Terrorist Sympathiser' and tell me why this is worse than 'War mongers'

Sound · Jun 22, 2016

Toonz said:
There will always be a ready-made market for this slop. Fortunately we live in the age of the internet, so there's now no excuse to avoid a sensible news source. I still look in on the Mail to see what they're coming out with, but more for 'research purposes*' than newsgathering.

I don't think reading it is the problem but believing it and quoting it as fact on here is very sad

bonusmedia · Jun 22, 2016

The 'claims' boil down to 'brown person seen in general vicinity of other brown people, some of whom are bad'.

The Daily Mail prints outright lies on their frontpage on a daily basis. They then issue 10 word corrections in small print in the middle of the paper.

Here's a petition to remove Dacre as editor. Nearly 50,000 signatures in the last 24 hours.

Sound · Jun 22, 2016

It would be interesting if anyone reading this thread who was undecided at the start of the debate has learned anything to help them make up their mind which way to vote?

As ten people in the poll are still to decide.

websaway · Jun 22, 2016

Toonz said:
I forget who it was who described the Daily Mail as everything that's wrong about Britain masquerading as everything that's right.

They seem to have managed to be on the wrong side of history on just about every significant step forward of the past 100 years.

It's not about reporting the news, it's about playing to fears and pandering to prejudice of 'the other'.

The migrants are coming. Be afraid.

There will always be a ready-made market for this slop. Fortunately we live in the age of the internet, so there's now no excuse to avoid a sensible news source. I still look in on the Mail to see what they're coming out with, but more for 'research purposes*' than newsgathering.

(*OK, and the occasional glance at the sidebar of shame )

Trouble is you can't believe any of them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ts-found-in-the-back-of-a-lorry-in-portsmout/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nearly-7000-illegal-immigrant-stowaways-6195043

Toonz · Jun 22, 2016

I was about 65% Remain when I started. I'm now 95% Remain.

Let's just say the tone of the immigration debate up and down the country, on forums and in my family, hasn't exactly done the Brexit side any favours. (I seem to recall this is what some of the more reasonable Brexiters like Daniel Hannan and Douglas Carswell were afraid of.)

signature · Jun 22, 2016

The true colour of Websaway is coming out now, you are posting 28 illegal immigrant entering the UK,, what will country like Greece do, with 1000s on a daily basis.

You are just providing a lot of reasons why people should go out tomorrow and vote IN

Sound · Jun 22, 2016

signature said:
The true colour of Websaway is coming out now, you are posting 28 illegal immigrant entering the UK,, what will country like Greece do, with 1000s on a daily basis.

You are just providing a lot of reasons why people should go out tomorrow and vote IN

I think the forum needs a new button Fruitcake would get my vote

websaway · Jun 22, 2016

Sound said:
It would be interesting if anyone reading this thread who was undecided at the start of the debate has learned anything to help them make up their mind which way to vote?

As ten people in the poll are still to decide.

I think once it gets to immigration a lot of the undecided have to go with remain. The TV coverage of poor Jo Cox has been heart wrenching for a lot of people and they vote through compassion of all those heartbroken people, It's human nature. They don't realise that although you can build more schools put more money into the health service. You can not provide houses for 1,000,000 new arrivals every 3 years plus the natural offspring. If immigration increases, as it will, driving wages down, then property ownership will for many young people be a thing of the past.

websaway · Jun 22, 2016

signature said:
The true colour of Websaway is coming out now, you are posting 28 illegal immigrant entering the UK,, what will country like Greece do, with 1000s on a daily basis.

You are just providing a lot of reasons why people should go out tomorrow and vote IN

So what you are saying is we should support an organisation that has encouraged uncontrolled immigration into Greece. OK

Toonz · Jun 22, 2016

I think plenty of remainers are aware of the flaws of the EU. They're voting remain because they believe it represents the lesser of evils.

signature · Jun 22, 2016

Lets look at this issue of immigration with figures, the UK population was 51M in 1955, 60 years on, its 64M, which means without immigration, the population will have been in the decline.

At our peak rate of growth its still less than 1% per year, yes we need to control immigration but this rate of growth is not something our government should not be able to cater for.

USA in the same period has almost doubled in population from 174M to 320M.

So many reasons to vote out, this is the least of them.

bonusmedia · Jun 22, 2016

websaway said:
So what you are saying is we should support an organisation that has encouraged uncontrolled immigration into Greece. OK

Except it hasn't, has it? The EU is entirely opposed to illegal immigration and has provided considerable help to Greece in combating it

websaway · Jun 22, 2016

Look so everyone knows where I am coming from.
We can not provide houses for an increase in population of 10,000,000
over the next 25 years. With the best will in the world , it's not possible.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-rocket-by-10-million-over-next-25-years.html

Talk about a leap into the dark, remaining is a leap into a nightmare.

signature · Jun 22, 2016

websaway said:
Wow, you can't believe a word Cameron says, can you.
The Mail is great for exposing things most want to hide.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ns-accused-critics-terrorist-sympathiser.html

websaway said:
So what you are saying is we should support an organisation that has encouraged uncontrolled immigration into Greece. OK

You don't have to put words into my mouth, only state what I wrote, don't interpret my statement for something else.

There is controlled immigration at the border(may be not as effective as the ones in the UK) of each EU countries, within the EU countries, no borders and UK is not part of this anyway.

Secondly, we are at a time when Humanity is been damaged within our eyes, too many wars and hunger reasons for the displacement of millions of people and heading towards peaceful area in Europe and this wont be forever, I am hoping we will stop bombing soon.

We don't have the issue that other EU countries are facing with the large number of migrations into their countries at the moment, in fact we always have less asylum seekers than any other EU countries per population.

Leaving the EU or staying in the EU have little or no effect on migrants from outside the EU.