EU Referendum

[denchomsky]

I love this game It is a shame about the insults on all sides, but please if you want to throw them at me be aware of my background so you make the assumptions correctly and get the insults correct

I came from a poor part of the country and went to an awful school
I left school at 16
I went back and studied and did a degree
I setup loads of companies for fun
I lived in numerous countries and hold 2 passports

So many things I can be called but not be able to have various views is not one of them as I have lived the world in many people's shoes...it has been fun.

If I just had been coloured and religious....I could be a rainbow

If we do leave I do have one big big hope that none of the clowns currently fronting the IN or LEAVE campaign has any power as that would be simple madness....if we thought many of them were incompetent and nasty people before this vote they have made it more obvious.

The mayor of Reykjavik after the meltdown was a comedian:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/15/jon-gnarr-comedian-mayor-iceland

I hope you didn't think I was trying to insult you? I was just giving my opinion on your cocksure opinions, your replies to mine were...well.......disappointingly sarcastic.

Your background, education, wealth and lifestyle has no relevance, I would not , unlike you, use them to 'presume' how you would vote.

 

[BREWSTERS]

I don't think the BBC are being biased
Thomas Mair just gave his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when he appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

And you found that out from where? I heard it too....on the BBC.
The authorities have had him for 36 hours now. Time aplenty for coercion /MK Ultra/Tavistock intervention. He's a vulnerable adult with a back-story of mental issues. Sound like Barry George?
A distinct lack of mobile phone footage makes me question the events, and then there are coincidences with Swedish foreign minister Anna Lindh's murder - 2 days before their EU vote (46, she left behind 2 kids).
Did you notice the only political leaders that have been on tv laying flowers and offering their condolences were Cameron and Corbyn?

 

[Mark84]

The authorities have had him for 36 hours now. Time aplenty for coercion /MK Ultra/Tavistock intervention. He's a vulnerable adult with a back-story of mental issues. Sound like Barry George?

I'm not 100% sold on the thing but why would an English national not be watching the football that was about to start an hour later? Doesn't sound like an English nationalist to me.

Anyway, if you want to remain, make sure you get out and vote next Friday the 24th - it's important

 

[BREWSTERS]

Ok, I'm calling bs on this.

I've just seen the family of Jo Cox on TV. Why were they only there today, a day after the 'C&C remain factory'.

Her sister said she went today to identify the body....wtf?!?! That is her husbands job.

Why was her sister all smiles?
Why were her parents all smiles?

Anyone who's lost anyone close, knows it takes a while before you stop crying....let alone can smile again. If that person had been murdered I'm sure it takes a lot lot longer.

Crisis acting.

 

[Mark84]

Ok, I'm calling bs on this.

I've just seen the family of Jo Cox on TV. Why were they only there today, a day after the 'C&C remain factory'.

Her sister said she went today to identify the body....wtf?!?! That is her husbands job.

Why was her sister all smiles?
Why were her parents all smiles?

Anyone who's lost anyone close, knows it takes a while before you stop crying....let alone can smile again. If that person had been murdered I'm sure it takes a lot lot longer.

Crisis acting.

I'm firmly brexit mate, and it might be a real stretch to say that sections (3 or 4 people tops, MI6 are dark puppies) of the establishment were behind it, but to suggest the family were in on it is far fetched.

 

[websaway]

This is a valid point and I honestly do not know, but leaving the EU does not fix it......

180K of immigrants pa come from the EU and they economically are a benefit...so this is not a money issue...they easily pay into society financially and I would also add that they are good for society as they bring diversity etc and integrate quickly.

The other 180K pa come from else where in the world and that is not decided by the EU but by the UK government....these contribute less financially to the economy. These I would say is what people are generally concerned about....but again this is not an EU issue.

The issue I feel has been compounded as many people have suffered under the cost cutting measures since 2008 and people are looking for someone to blame and that has become the influx of immigrants, rather than maybe the banking and large corporate machines...that will not change IN or OUT

Let me try and hit the nail on the head. It is not about those that have come. IT's ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE TO COME. if you can tell me how many, and of course you can't, and how we are to accommodate them, ( a city the size of Birmingham, every three of four years ) then I am intelligent enough to balance it , but neither you nor anyone else is prepared to say.
If people came to live in your mansion and told you it was OK because there was a nil cost to you when you look at what they eat and how much they contribute, you might say, well how many are coming, who are they, and eventually your mansion will not sensibly be able to accommodate any more.

 

[websaway]

Ok, I'm calling bs on this.

I've just seen the family of Jo Cox on TV. Why were they only there today, a day after the 'C&C remain factory'.

Her sister said she went today to identify the body....wtf?!?! That is her husbands job.

Why was her sister all smiles?
Why were her parents all smiles?

Anyone who's lost anyone close, knows it takes a while before you stop crying....let alone can smile again. If that person had been murdered I'm sure it takes a lot lot longer.

Crisis acting.

Would I be wide of the mark if I said you are just a tad conspiracy theorist.

 

[websaway]

I'm not 100% sold on the thing but why would an English national not be watching the football that was about to start an hour later? Doesn't sound like an English nationalist to me.

Anyway, if you want to remain, make sure you get out and vote next Friday the 24th - it's important

Took a minute.

 

[BREWSTERS]

I'm saying there was no murder. This has just displayed some of the obvious hallmarks of a false flag event.

It's difficult to get your head around the evil that is perpetrated by the real ruling class. The dots connect when you see the overall picture. Then the world as we are shown it begins to make sense (from a warped psycophatic viewpoint).
To paraphrase Henry Kissinger "military men are stupid individuals to be used to further foreign policy". He won a Nobel Peace prize. As did the war criminal Blair. As did Obama; the US president who holds the record of the most number of days for being at war. And, the US president who signed off on the highest amount of arms deals. The world is not as it is presented to us by the media.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Would I be wide of the mark if I said you are just a tad conspiracy theorist.

The term 'conspiracy theorist' was introduced by the CIA after the JFK assassination to discredit anyone who question authority's official story. Now it's used by two sets of people;
Officialdom, to avoid answering questions.
People who are happy thinking that officialdom always tell the truth.

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. And don't believe me - find out for yourselves. Don't trust any news source, especially mainstream news.

Ask anyone involved with law - what is the most important thing to find out about any crime; the motive. The bigger the crime/lie, the bigger the motive needs to be. If you're willing to send millions of people to their deaths, as our current leaders are, let's face it, excited to do (witness cheering when voting to bomb Syria) then the motive must be pretty big.

BTW Websaway, I don't mind being called it, or anything else...it isn't important.

 

[websaway]

I'm saying there was no murder. This has just displayed some of the obvious hallmarks of a false flag event.

It's difficult to get your head around the evil that is perpetrated by the real ruling class. The dots connect when you see the overall picture. Then the world as we are shown it begins to make sense (from a warped psycophatic viewpoint).
To paraphrase Henry Kissinger "military men are stupid individuals to be used to further foreign policy". That twat won a Nobel Peace prize. As did the war criminal Blair. As did Obama; the US president who holds the record of the most number of days for being at war. And, the US president who signed off on the highest amount of arms deals. The world is not as it is presented to us by the media.

Yes, but you have to draw a line somewhere.

 

[websaway]

The term 'conspiracy theorist' was introduced by the CIA after the JFK assassination to discredit anyone who question authority's official story. Now it's used by two sets of people;
Officialdom, to avoid answering questions.
People who are happy thinking that officialdom always tell the truth.

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. And don't believe me - find out for yourselves. Don't trust any news source, especially mainstream news.

Ask anyone involved with law - what is the most important thing to find out about any crime; the motive. The bigger the crime/lie, the bigger the motive needs to be. If you're willing to send millions of people to their deaths, as our current leaders are, let's face it, excited to do (witness cheering when voting to bomb Syria) then the motive must be pretty big.

BTW Websaway, I don't mind being called it, or anything else...it isn't important.

Perhaps you could open a new thread, it's not really for this thread.

 

[websaway]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...exit-doesn-t-necessarily-mean-a-u-k-recession

 

[martin-s]

Can we shut this thread please - it's just getting offensive now.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Yes, but you have to draw a line somewhere.

Sorry what do you mean? That there's a only a limited amount of evil?

Going back to my teens, 30 years ago, every now and then some event would happen and I'd know that there was something wrong about the official story. Just a hunch. Then maybe 15 years ago I started looking into these events (thanks to the Internet).
I found things out but didn't commit to them because the overriding feeling was that people wouldn't be so bad, and we'd know about it through the media if they were true. Then last year I was watching an event unfold and it all started to make sense. I could see through the bullcrap.
With these events they often make glaring mistakes. The Jo Cox one is the sister ID'ing the body 48 hours after the event - that's bollox.
The smiling relatives is another give away. Eyes aren't red from crying....full of smiles....doesn't happen in reality.

I guess no one will consider what I say and discount me as a nut - I would've done a couple of years ago too - but I need to say what I see. One day you might have been through the same process and see things the same. It's hard to accept individual events though until all the dots connect, then it all falls into place.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Can we shut this thread please - it's just getting offensive now.

YouTube 'Steve Hughes offended'

It's very funny.

 

[willbon]

Sorry if it's been posted before... but kind of sums it up for me right now!

 

[websaway]

Sorry what do you mean? That there's a only a limited amount of evil?

Going back to my teens, 30 years ago, every now and then some event would happen and I'd know that there was something wrong about the official story. Just a hunch. Then maybe 15 years ago I started looking into these events (thanks to the Internet).
I found things out but didn't commit to them because the overriding feeling was that people wouldn't be so bad, and we'd know about it through the media if they were true. Then last year I was watching an event unfold and it all started to make sense. I could see through the bullcrap.
With these events they often make glaring mistakes. The Jo Cox one is the sister ID'ing the body 48 hours after the event - that's bollox.
The smiling relatives is another give away. Eyes aren't red from crying....full of smiles....doesn't happen in reality.

I guess no one will consider what I say and discount me as a nut - I would've done a couple of years ago too - but I need to say what I see. One day you might have been through the same process and see things the same. It's hard to accept individual events though until all the dots connect, then it all falls into place.

yes, great well open a thread to discuss it.

 

[dougs]

He can't do it, I was listening to the interview and it was embarrassing.
We certainly won't get immigration down to the 10's of thousands. But we can look at what is the maximum amount of immigration we can cope with and then implement policies to address the situation. We need immigrants, but we need to know how many and who they are and where they come from and why they are here. Your one world is a great ambition, but it's living in dreamland. We don't live in a world where people reason with each other, there will always be bandits and rebels who's ambitions thrive on laughing at civil society. It would be so expensive to police an open world that it just isn't possible. The world is different, warfare is different, and I believe if you can, you look to seek self determination, and if you want to create peace and harmony it should start at home before trying to export to the world what you have not even achieved ourselves.

The world was once small little tribes, then the tribes became clams and then countries....what next.

Advancement does not happen by having little goals but audacious dreams

 

[dougs]

Sorry but without a sound mental evaluation, I'm not sure anyone can judge his motivations.



I wasn't aware the picture was fake!if that is what you are claiming, looks dam real to me.

The trouble with your stance is that you and people like you told us that Farage was dangerous when he said how many Poles would come, then only a few years ago you dismissed him when he said how many Romanian's would come.

Then it turns out he was right right and right and others were continuously wrong.

There was no increase in Romanians:

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox....garians-coming-uk-2014-influx-or-exaggeration