EU Referendum

[websaway]

Guys please stop it will you...you are making personal attacks on someone because they disagree

If you read this post, I was defending Edwin. Perhaps you could elaborate how it is a personal attack.
BTW I love intelligent disagreement, it's the only way you can get a balanced view.

 

[websaway]

This site gets many more viewers per day than the vocal ones Do not make assumptions.

Should I have said members ?

 

[AssetDomains]

Just for anyone doubting his motivations http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005

 

[AssetDomains]

Hate just breads more hate hope the IMPORTANT topic of immigration can be debated sensibly over the final week instead of resorting to crap like this

 

[bonusmedia]

If you're always looking for a conspiracy you'll tend to see everything as evidence for one. There will always be some extremist on the internet who agrees with you. The delusion that literally everything that happens is part of a vast conspiracy against you is very dangerous, it is exactly the mindset that leads unstable people to commit horrible crimes.

 

[Sound]

Tell the Biased Broadcasting Corporation....all day they've been quoting an eyewitness as saying the shooter shouted 'Britain first' - he is on video saying he never heard any such thing.

I don't think the BBC are being biased
Thomas Mair just gave his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when he appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

 

[bonusmedia]

Apparently we've imported the Trump playbook - if you get caught out, just lie until the narrative moves on - if you keep up the torrent of bullshit and abuse you can apparently drown out those who question you.

I have been worried that not enough people speak up - but perhaps it's because they recognise there is no point trying to reason with those who have abandoned reason

I do have hope that in the UK, as in the US, there are enough reasonable people quietly waiting to vote with their heads

 

[websaway]

It states that the article they refer to was written weeks back, he just makes it clear that he's going to carry on in the memory of his wife.

No he has asked the papers to distribute his views. And at such a sensitive time when we on both sides of his opinion are genuinely morning his loss.
What is even more galling is that he worked for save the children charity ( worked for, so salaried ) Labour members campaign to let children into the UK and while I have the deepest sympathy for unfortunate children, I question the objectives and conflicting interests of some labour MP's who's friends , family, and even spouses ride the gravy train that some big charities have become. It seems that large salaries await ex politicians who have clout in the corridors of power and it's becoming far too incestuous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...men-s-complaints-inappropriate-behaviour.html

 

[bonusmedia]

Attacks on Jo Cox's husband for continuing her work - and on the work of Charities like Save the Children - are beneath contempt.

"Jo believed in a better world and she fought for it every day of her life with an energy, and a zest for life that would exhaust most people. She would have wanted two things above all else to happen now, one that our precious children are bathed in love and two, that we all unite to fight against the hatred that killed her."
- Brendan Cox

Jo Cox's fund is here

 

[Edwin]

Jo Cox's fund is here

Thanks for linking to that. It's growing amazingly fast, a small ray of hope for her family and friends in a very dark situation.

 

[denchomsky]

I think many people do not have self interests at heart. Simple rational here:

Your rational seems to be elitist, ageist, patronising and presumptuous

the under 40's mostly wish to stay in

To say 'the under 40's 'mostly' want to stay in is rubbish, the samples in the polls are so small and you would get a different results in each town or city you polled.

people educated past 16 mostly wish to stay

So most people who left school at 16 aren't clever enough to vote remain (as we all know you must be thick if you want to leave)? Plenty of highly successful people left school at 16.

predominantly the uneducated and poor suffer in times of turmoil

I think the uneducated and the poor will suffer more if we remain as a high proportion of unskilled labour jobs are being filled by migrants. There is the argument that British people don't want to do those jobs, but maybe this is because the wages have been driven down so low that they are caught in the benefits poverty trap and the cost of living is higher as they are not living 6+ adults in a 3 bedroom house like a lot of migrant workers are.

generally the young and the educated are the ones who win when turmoil happens as they have little to loose and can grasp opportunity

Except of course the thickies that didn't go to Uni

So the educated should if having only self interest at heart want to leave, but they do not.

?

 

[newguy]

No he has asked the papers to distribute his views. And at such a sensitive time when we on both sides of his opinion are genuinely morning his loss.
What is even more galling is that he worked for save the children charity ( worked for, so salaried ) Labour members campaign to let children into the UK and while I have the deepest sympathy for unfortunate children, I question the objectives and conflicting interests of some labour MP's who's friends , family, and even spouses ride the gravy train that some big charities have become. It seems that large salaries await ex politicians who have clout in the corridors of power and it's becoming far too incestuous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...men-s-complaints-inappropriate-behaviour.html

I don't know where to start with this. I'll be glad when this vote business is over with regardless of what the result is. It's not bringing out our best side as a nation. Have fun. I'm out.

 

[Edwin]

I don't know where to start with this. I'll be glad when this vote business is over with regardless of what the result is. It's not bringing out our best side as a nation. Have fun. I'm out.

Me too. I'm done with this debate.

 

[websaway]

this is a great read for the people with the courage of self governance.
a small excerpt below.

"But the system of parliamentary democracy – under which we claim to live –is based on the idea that the choice of who governs is not a matter for experts,but for the people governed. Experts, when they nearly all agree – as with the Munich Agreement, ERM entry, the euro and now a Remain vote – are likely to be wrong, because they confuse their own interests and group-think with the general good."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...us-decision-next-week--but-not-a-terribly-di/

 

[dougs]

you probably know it's not wise to enter into debate on made up figures. The only vote you can rely on is your own. That's democracy, which comes with Sovereignty, which you don't care about , as you stated in your previous post.

these are not made up figures they are here from Yougov...the telegraph have made them prettier:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/

 

[dougs]

Your rational seems to be elitist, ageist, patronising and presumptuous


To say 'the under 40's 'mostly' want to stay in is rubbish, the samples in the polls are so small and you would get a different results in each town or city you polled.

Read yougov stats...the telegrap have made them prettier:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/


So most people who left school at 16 aren't clever enough to vote remain (as we all know you must be thick if you want to leave)? Plenty of highly successful people left school at 16.

Me included left school at 16

I think the uneducated and the poor will suffer more if we remain as a high proportion of unskilled labour jobs are being filled by migrants. There is the argument that British people don't want to do those jobs, but maybe this is because the wages have been driven down so low that they are caught in the benefits poverty trap and the cost of living is higher as they are not living 6+ adults in a 3 bedroom house like a lot of migrant workers are.

Except the UK has almost zero unemployment ( 5% ). 5% is viewed as almost perfect as it means their is enough people looking to fill roles, but almost enough roles to fil.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment


Except of course the thickies that didn't go to Uni

I admit I did go back to Uni....so I was probably a thickie and now not......Doug confused where he should vote


?

 

[dougs]

I love this game It is a shame about the insults on all sides, but please if you want to throw them at me be aware of my background so you make the assumptions correctly and get the insults correct

I came from a poor part of the country and went to an awful school
I left school at 16
I went back and studied and did a degree
I setup loads of companies for fun
I lived in numerous countries and hold 2 passports

So many things I can be called but not be able to have various views is not one of them as I have lived the world in many people's shoes...it has been fun.

If I just had been coloured and religious....I could be a rainbow

If we do leave I do have one big big hope that none of the clowns currently fronting the IN or LEAVE campaign has any power as that would be simple madness....if we thought many of them were incompetent and nasty people before this vote they have made it more obvious.

The mayor of Reykjavik after the meltdown was a comedian:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/15/jon-gnarr-comedian-mayor-iceland

 

[dougs]

Me too. I'm done with this debate.

Come back Edwin please....share my think skin
You add quality and facts to the debate and that is much needed in any world...... shouting at you should not make you quiet, that makes the world a scary place when people like you stop commenting

 

[gimpydog]

Field Marshal Lord Charles Guthrie, former Chief of Defence Staff & defence 'expert' changes his mind & now backs brexit.

" was telephoned by a young military assistant in 10 Downing Street who, like Guthrie himself, had served in the SAS. Would he sign the letter No 10 had drafted? Guthrie agreed, partly out of a feeling of comradeship (he too is SAS). ‘I regret doing that. I think I made a mistake. Now I’ve thought about it some more.’"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...rd-guthrie-why-i-now-back-the-leave-campaign/

 

[gimpydog]

Here's an interesting explanation of which countries are in which bits of the EU. I bet we all learn at least one new fact by watching it.

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