Corona please read very important

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I will dig into everything as much as I can possible to get to the best conclusion. I can't always go as deep as I would like because it gets to a point where obviously I'm not a doctor, so I can't verify if a single doctor is telling the truth on a matter for example. However, if you have a doctor saying something and virtually every other doctor in the world agrees with them, there's a high certainty that doctor isn't lying, making things up etc.

I'm not going to even comment (in a discussion way) on the Dr Wakefield thing. It's public knowledge that his findings weren't replicable, false and misleading. His findings still haven't been replicated to this day. From when I looked into him about a year or so ago, it appears that him being barred from practising medicine in the UK, was a wise decision.

The whole "US gov has paid out tens or maybe now hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation thing" and that meaning there's truth behind a link, is a full on conspiracy theory also. While these payments do happen, if you investigate why it's done, it makes perfect and reasonable sense. It sounds bad until you dig into it and understand the reason.

Just agreeing to part ways and hand over money with no blame happens all the time. It's a common practise and there's not a conspiracy theory in those cases. It's simple maths or a simple decision, even if the outcome isn't what you were going for. A company getting sued that will cost them millions to defend (when they've done nothing wrong) is always going to be happy to just settle and walk away for £20,000 because it would cost them more than than to defend themselves.

Do you not know that companies who make vaccines can't be sued? They are the only industry that can't. Governments protect them...but that doesn't stop them from being liable...it just means that the companies don't lose. Tax payers do. But not as much as the vaccine injured.

And the governments accept the liability - and pay out. Not their money is it.

No wonder pharmaceutical companies are some of the biggest sponsors of politicians.

Any covid-19 fact you want to put forward for analysis?

 

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Well, they can be sued, just not directly for a vaccine injury. If you ask me, it makes sense regardless but I can understand why people wouldn't agree with that.

So like I said...they can't be sued for vaccine injury.

That makes sense to you does it? How about food? I've worked in various areas of the food industry for most of my working life. If a company that I worked for produced a food product that made people ill, should we be protected by government? Isn't food a vital service...more so than vaccines.

I'm not sure why you're pushing on me to provide you a covid-19 fact for analysis when you've consistently copy/pasted dangerous information which don't have any evidence behind them and promoted people that in their industry and field are publicly ridiculed and called out as being liars.

Because you're purporting that I haven't done any research into the things I post. I'd like to know how much research you put into what you believe, and that can only be done by you having the cohones to say what you believe. I do, and I know I'll get ridiculed for it by some people. But that is what having the courage of one's convictions is. Anyone can say what they like when they know that the popular belief backs them up. Emperor's new clothes.

You are the type of person that will always be impossible to please as you have an underlying conspiracy theory to feed. If I post a link to a government site, you'll say the government are in on it, If I post 1,000 links from different professionals around the world all saying X is a fact, you'll always say well this 1 doctor says X is wrong and you only believe what that one person says. Even if they've been caught lying and discredited as a Dr.

How is that any different from yourself?

You bandy about 'conspiracy theory' and that's just lazy.

From the beginning of all this, I said that it is a move by those who want a one world government. Everything about it is tailor made for their ends. Since saying that, various people (usual suspects...Bill Gates, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Henry Kissenger…) have all called for a world government. And there'll be many more to come. There are conspiracies. They're not all theories.

Not sure what sort of facts you would be looking for anyway, or why you've searching for one from me. You've not posted any facts in this thread so far apart from full-on conspiracy theories, from what I can remember. I look at information thrown at me in discussions etc and then dig into them to see if it's likely true/false. I don't normally go around directly pushing out facts as gospel, I discuss what other people are saying.

I've not posted any facts? I'll let anyone else who reads this decide whether I have or not...it's not for you to say...and it's definitely not a fact!

 

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Some very timely and interesting info about Bill Gates and the BBC - also interesting that he considers himself a 'health expert'.

From 23.10m but I recommend watching it all.

 

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https://www.multidimensionalcreatives.com/blog1

I signed that petition when it was over 100,000 signatures...hadn't heard anything since. Now I know why.

 

[starbird]

Well done Eamonn Holmes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52270736

He doesn't work for the BBC so he's not under their restrictions.

"What I don't accept is mainstream media immediately slapping that down as not true when they don't know it's not true," the ITV This Morning host said.

"It's very easy to say it is not true because it suits the state narrative."

Nice to see some celebs coming down on the mainstream media because they do not report, they simply print what they are told to print.

David Icke has become an internet sensation due to the BBC asking Youtube to take down his video when he mentioned 5G as a possible source of all this. They opened the can of worms.

 

[LCHappy]

David Icke has become an internet sensation due to the BBC asking Youtube to take down his video when he mentioned 5G as a possible source of all this. They opened the can of worms.

That was such stupidity you have to ask yourself if they meant to do it. The BBC must also carry some of the blame for the propagation of the 5G theory. Internet for dummies 2000 lesson one - The Streisand effect

 

[starbird]

For the record there are scientific concerns regarding 5G, these relate to the frequencies and pulse frequency. I doubt the main stream media has done much research

https://www.jrseco.com/european-uni...rn-of-potential-serious-health-effects-of-5g/

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2020/646172/EPRS_BRI(2020)646172_EN.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6765906/

I am not a scientist but to dismiss the claims outright without reading evidence based reports by real scientists doesn't make sense to me.

 

[newguy]

Well done Eamonn Holmes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52270736

He doesn't work for the BBC so he's not under their restrictions.

"What I don't accept is mainstream media immediately slapping that down as not true when they don't know it's not true," the ITV This Morning host said.

"It's very easy to say it is not true because it suits the state narrative."

Nice to see some celebs coming down on the mainstream media because they do not report, they simply print what they are told to print.

David Icke has become an internet sensation due to the BBC asking Youtube to take down his video when he mentioned 5G as a possible source of all this. They opened the can of worms.

I think it would've been useful if he's separated issues he perceives may exist with 5G, from the Coronavirus. By which I mean that those watching may erroneously jump to the conclusion that 5G is somehow responsible for Covid-19, when clearly it is not.

 

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On a vaccine it would be a massively bad idea to rush through a vaccine without taking all the correct safety testing get it wrong and produce something ineffective or even worse something that causes harm will completely undermine peoples trust in them and lead to countless avoidable deaths if people stop using this proven public health tool.

Off topic really but never really looked into it so would interested to know why the conspiracy people are so scared of a one world government assuming it was democratically elected. Mankind seems to make it greatest achievements when it works together, Cern, The internet, Rosetta etc.
When we go isolationist some of the worst the things ever happen the holocaust, Rwanda genocide pretty much every war ever waged.

 

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The health expert thing is a tough one. I can see where people may jump on that but at the same time, I don't.

What is an expert? It's a person who is very knowledgeable or skilful in a particular area. If he's spent a number of years dedicating his life to this sort of thing, then there is likely going to be a high degree of knowledge, at-least to some extent.

Are you saying he can not be a health expert until he sits an exam for the spread of viruses and other similar exams or something? When can someone call themselves an expert in your eyes?

It's no different to most domain experts. What makes someone an expert at a domaining? The fact they've bought/sold domains for 5 years, the fact they've sold 1 domain for six-figures. The fact they hand-regged domains 10 years ago and now sell them for 100k? It's the same for business experts, sales experts, hosting experts. Is it impossible to have a domain expert because there's no test to sit for that?

Fair points.

IMO, it's not for someone to declare themselves an expert. Only if they have qualifications in that area they are entitled to.

In regards to the money thing, that's linking two things together and automatically jumping on a hidden agenda format. It's hard to argue on that as it's impossible to prove if it was for bad or good purposes. Giving large amounts of money to any person, charity, business or organisation is always going to open doors. That doesn't automatically mean it was done for bad purposes, or good purposes. It's just one of those points that can be used to fit a persons narrative.

The fact he seems to be declaring just how this is going to pan out (saying things like 'travel and mass gatherings won't happen until we've got the vaccine out') suggest he thinks that he's running global policy...does he think he's bought that right?

 

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For the record there are scientific concerns regarding 5G, these relate to the frequencies and pulse frequency. I doubt the main stream media has done much research

https://www.jrseco.com/european-uni...rn-of-potential-serious-health-effects-of-5g/

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2020/646172/EPRS_BRI(2020)646172_EN.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6765906/

I am not a scientist but to dismiss the claims outright without reading evidence based reports by real scientists doesn't make sense to me.

Barrie Trower has been warning about dangers of microwave technology for years, having working in that field for the military and other government agencies for decades.

 

[starbird]

Well done? It's such a dumb thing to say it's not even something that can even be discussed.

It's like saying that that if two dogs have sex in your living room, it can cause wifi signal to be boosted in your home by 3%.

Completely different things scientifically that there isn't even an ounce of science that suspects otherwise.

btw Trauiner as you believe everything you read in the mainstream media, this one is for you

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/1...stems-fight-off-infections-during-coronvirus/

 

[Siusaidh]

Normal variation of deaths, or exceptional times?

 

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Isn't Barrie Trower another well-known conspiracy theorist who claims to have worked in the Navy but has never been able to backup that claim?

No, he isn't.

He is a specialist in his field, and has been advising government departments of many countries for many years on the dangers of wifi.

But I'm sure you'll be able to find some hit-piece saying otherwise. You do realise that anyone who opposes official stories get's vilified by MSM don't you? A bit like anyone on here who doesn't blindly accept the MSM.

 

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Normal variation of deaths, or exceptional times?

Just been looking at the figures on the ONS site
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...glandandwalesprovisional/weekending3april2020
Huge death rise spike the statistics released this week for the 14th week of the year. Hope this puts to bed the argument these people were going to die anyway and its just being blamed on the covid on the death certificate as a conspiracy theory media hype or whatever. If anything looks covid-19 deaths are being massively under reported

 

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Comparing the previous few weeks of the year it seems pretty normal for 45 and under

45-60 there's a noticeable increase

65+ is where it gets bad

 

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The biggest issue is a lot of the information on deaths at the moment is somewhat irrelevant, as it is all still 'pieces' of information and not a full picture, which is required to have any sort of meaning. It's still way to early to know or understand the true extent of deaths. In fact, at this stage it's likely impossible to truly have any sort of clear picture.

Some hospitals for example have been reporting large drops in people going to A&E. People who think they're having a heart attack might not go to A&E like they would have last year, and therefor have a higher chance of dying. The numbers at the moment may show more deaths than last year, but does that mean it was because of covid-19 or the side effects of human behaviour.

Did you read the BBC article 6000 extra people died in in the 14 week than did than did on average in the same week for the last 5 years not 1.
Massively more than any week 14 since the ons started recording statistics 15 years ago. 3475 linked to covid.
If these statistics don't convince people this thing is real and killing people prematurely I don't know what will

 

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They do definitely need to look at the difference though as if people being to scared to show up with other serious conditions then their needs to be a media blitz so people understand to still come to A&E

 

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The biggest issue is a lot of the information on deaths at the moment is somewhat irrelevant, as it is all still 'pieces' of information and not a full picture, which is required to have any sort of meaning. It's still way to early to know or understand the true extent of deaths. In fact, at this stage it's likely impossible to truly have any sort of clear picture.

Some hospitals for example have been reporting large drops in people going to A&E. People who think they're having a heart attack might not go to A&E like they would have last year, and therefor have a higher chance of dying. The numbers at the moment may show more deaths than last year, but does that mean it was because of covid-19 or the side effects of human behaviour.

I think the figures raise more questions than provide answers.

Just from a quick glance through;

Note: Deaths could possibly be counted in both causes presented. If a death had an underlying respiratory cause and a mention of COVID-19 then it would appear in both counts.

Deaths where the underlying cause was respiratory disease (ICD-10 J00-J99) = 2106
Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate (ICD-10 U07.1 and U07.2) = 3475

TOTAL DEATHS = 16387

So they admit that some duplication is going on, but lets say there isn't - then the number of deaths not attributed to CV would be 12912 - that's 2597 deaths more than the 5y average for that week. Does that mean that 2597 people have died because they haven't been able to access their normal treatment?

Duplication of figures has been brought up earlier in this thread.

Also:
Note. 8 These figures represent death registrations, there can be a delay between the date a death occurred and the date a death was registered. More information can be found in our impact of registration delays release.

No '8.' doesn't exist - so the figures don't represent actual registrations.

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If these numbers were correct, then hospitals would be seriously overcrowded...a 50% increase in deaths relevant to the average?

Can anyone here who works for the NHS hands on, confirm any hospitals have these increases? As I've said previously, my partners hospital is a designated CV one - any suspected cases get sent there (from 3 large general hostpitals) and the numbers of patients showing symptoms (symptoms which are not unique to CV BTW) are roughly similar to what would normally be seen across the three sites.

 

[starbird]

Well done? It's such a dumb thing to say it's not even something that can even be discussed.

It's like saying that that if two dogs have sex in your living room, it can cause wifi signal to be boosted in your home by 3%.

Completely different things scientifically that there isn't even an ounce of science that suspects otherwise.

It wouldn't boost your signal by 3% but it could lower reception by 3% if they were having sex in front of your wifi receiver. This is a scientific fact that objects can block the range of your wifi if they are placed in the path from your wifi router and your wifi receiver, if you want to get pedantic. Keep them coming ......