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diablo · Apr 5, 2020

Murray said:
Didn't take into account over 65 which Germany has a lot of

Germany % of population over 65 21.46%

Sweden % of population over 65 20.1%

(World Bank figures, 2018)

Murray · Apr 5, 2020

bonusmedia said:
ahead, when we do get a vaccine, there are going to be anti-vax people shouting about it. We'll have to deal with that somehow or other, I would like to see zero tolerance.

Zero tolerance on people questioning if it's bad for you or refusing to have it?

bonusmedia · Apr 5, 2020

Zero tolerance for sharing misinformation, pop theories, nonsense from conspiracy sites etc.

Genuine/honest questioning where folks want answers from experts is never a problem.
'Questions' where the goal is to spread doubt to support a conspiracist agenda definitely are.

I wouldn't support literally forcing anyone to have it, but you can achieve nearly the same by making it a condition of accessing public services. E.g. some places with measles outbreaks because of low vaccination rates have made school attendance conditional on being vaccinated.

Of course there will be some (immuno-compromised etc) who won't be able to be vaccinated, which makes it all the more important that those who can, do.

LCHappy · Apr 5, 2020

bonusmedia said:
Zero tolerance for sharing misinformation, pop theories, nonsense from conspiracy sites etc.

Who decides what a conspiracy theory is?

When you say zero tolerance, you mean like executed in the street?

diablo · Apr 5, 2020

On Sunday Sweden reported a total of 401 deaths so far from Covid-19 and acknowledged delays in reporting meant the actual number was likely to be considerably higher.

The figure was up 8% from Saturday and is greater than the totals of its three Nordic neighbours combined.

Sweden’s toll per million inhabitants is 37, compared with 28 in Denmark, 12 in Norway and 4.5 in Finland.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ten-coronavirus-measures-as-death-toll-climbs

UPDATE UK deaths reported today 621.

Today's number for Sweden adjusted to UK population size 2,632 (UK deaths 4,934)

Edwin · Apr 5, 2020

FYI, the Queen will address the nation tonight at 8pm on BBC1, ITV and Channel 5 (I presume Channel 4 will break into their news coverage to show it too).

BREWSTERS · Apr 5, 2020

diablo said:
On Sunday Sweden reported a total of 401 deaths so far from Covid-19 and acknowledged delays in reporting meant the actual number was likely to be considerably higher.

The figure was up 8% from Saturday and is greater than the totals of its three Nordic neighbours combined.

Sweden’s toll per million inhabitants is 37, compared with 28 in Denmark, 12 in Norway and 4.5 in Finland.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ten-coronavirus-measures-as-death-toll-climbs

UPDATE UK deaths reported today 621.

Today's number for Sweden adjusted to UK population size 2,632 (UK deaths 4,934)

The UK figure (for deaths today) is up 14%.

UK's toll per million inhabitants is 74 - that's double Sweden's. 2.6 times Denmark's, 6 times Norway's and 17 times Finland's.

Something wrong with numbers like these...looks like someone is falsely boosting numbers.

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In a world first, the Swedish government has announced that it is going to officially distinguish between deaths „by“ and deaths „with“ the coronavirus, which should lead to a reduction in reported deaths. Meanwhile, for some reason, international pressure on Sweden to abandon its liberal strategy is steadily increasing. - https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

newguy · Apr 5, 2020

Murray said:
Interesting thing to look at is single person households, Sweden looks in great shape to not spread it at home

Also obesity rates, which obviously in general couples with a lot of other health issues

I'd expect Nordic countries and Germany to have some of the lowest death rates

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Good point. I can only imagine how much it all ramps up due to one person in a household having it, and it spreading to other family members. It's clearly very contagious and so even with the best will in the world, it's likely with most peoples home setups that other family members will catch it.

Murray · Apr 6, 2020

Do as we say, not as we do

Edwin · Apr 6, 2020

It's only in prototype form, and there's no telling whether it will be taken up by governments or not, but Tesla have created a ventilator using (mainly) Tesla car parts.

That's smart, in the sense that it doesn't take away from the hugely competitive and rapidly diminishing stock of existing medical components. But of course that may make it harder to get regulatory approval for. Still, it's good to see something real(ish) and working in the lab.

Edwin · Apr 6, 2020

The UK is...

7th for total coronavirus deaths
10th for coronavirus deaths per 1,000,000 population

11th for total number of coronavirus tests
50th for number of coronavirus tests per 1,000,000 population

So testing is very clearly lacking given the tiny penetration of tests compared to the overall population of the UK.

We knew that already, of course, but these figures make it much starker.

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

BREWSTERS · Apr 6, 2020

Edwin said:
The UK is...

7th for total coronavirus deaths
10th for coronavirus deaths per 1,000,000 population

11th for total number of coronavirus tests
50th for number of coronavirus tests per 1,000,000 population

So testing is very clearly lacking given the tiny penetration of tests compared to the overall population of the UK.

We knew that already, of course, but these figures make it much starker.

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

UK is 4th for deaths.

BREWSTERS · Apr 6, 2020

What hope have any of us got in making informed opinions when we get things like this...both these statements are from the same BBC webpage;

"Infections and deaths have fallen in Spain and Italy in recent days - suggesting lockdowns have worked"

&

"Australia's curve appears to be flattening, despite the nation not entering a full lockdown as seen in other nations."

Admin · Apr 6, 2020

@bonusmedia @BREWSTERS - It is you two that will force me to close this thread. Your choice, reign it in or...

dee · Apr 6, 2020

I reckon ive had this. And its bloody horrible. Now day 10 of complete lockdown in the house with the family and everyone going stir crazy. No temperature. No fever but most of the other symptoms. Legs literally buckling at the slightest bit of physical exertion and being totally breathless.

Had a message from firend last night. His 74 year neighbour has just died from it. Visited family about 3 week ago. Got a cough and went rapidly downhill. Generaly fit and healthy.

I DO NOT WANT MY PARENTS GETTING IT.

I don't care what the conspiracy theory is. It's pi**ing me off looking out the window and seeing groups of idiot teenagers who have ripped the tape of the gates of the kids park and are in there acting like muppets in groups of 5 of 6. Watching the local news to see people out acting like nothing is happening. Being selfish arseholes. People aren't getting it and people that dont need to will die because of it. Why take the risk ? If we are wrong then i'll happily take as many " i told you so's" down the road. Gloat away. Trouble is, as @Edwin said, its a totally one sided bet.

Murray · Apr 6, 2020

dee said:
I reckon ive had this. And its bloody horrible. Now day 10 of complete lockdown in the house with the family and everyone going stir crazy. No temperature. No fever but most of the other symptoms. Legs literally buckling at the slightest bit of physical exertion and being totally breathless.

Sorry to hear that, hope you and family feel better soon

LCHappy · Apr 6, 2020

dee said:
I reckon ive had this. And its bloody horrible. Now day 10 of complete lockdown in the house with the family and everyone going stir crazy. No temperature. No fever but most of the other symptoms. Legs literally buckling at the slightest bit of physical exertion and being totally breathless.

Had a message from firend last night. His 74 year neighbour has just died from it. Visited family about 3 week ago. Got a cough and went rapidly downhill. Generaly fit and healthy.

I DO NOT WANT MY PARENTS GETTING IT.

I don't care what the conspiracy theory is. It's pi**ing me off looking out the window and seeing groups of idiot teenagers who have ripped the tape of the gates of the kids park and are in there acting like muppets in groups of 5 of 6. Watching the local news to see people out acting like nothing is happening. Being selfish arseholes. People aren't getting it and people that dont need to will die because of it. Why take the risk ? If we are wrong then i'll happily take as many " i told you so's" down the road. Gloat away. Trouble is, as @Edwin said, its a totally one sided bet.

Sorry you have had it and I'm glad you are on the mend but let's not get things confused here. When I and others round here had exactly the same symptoms late last year, I didn't call for a lock down, I didn't call for people not to go to work to pay for the health service that I could have depended upon.

People always catch something, people have always died from catching something, that's life. Some innocent people will die from this, that is life. Some innocent people get run over and killed by drunk drivers, we don't ban cars from the road. It's life.

By the way, your parents might find their private pension stops paying out in 8 weeks. I hope everyone that is happy for a total lock down then look their elderly relatives in the eye say it's for your own good as they can no longer afford to turn on the hot water for a wash. Wait until to see how many people get killed by not washing correctly?

We have to take the emotion out of this and look at the numbers or more people will die.

dee · Apr 6, 2020

Murray said:
Sorry to hear that, hope you and family feel better soon

Thanks. Think on the upslope, and on the grand scheme of things got away lightly i think . Havent been that blitzed since having very bad glandular fever about 12 years ago. Was out of it for 3 months back then. This is nasty. I can see how if you have any underlaying conditions its going to hammer you. Cant say for sure as havent been tested, but would suspect its it.

For context, i'm 49 and pretty fit and healthy. On average I cycle about 10 miles a day back and forth, walk everywhere rather than drive etc im not overweight ( well, maybe a tad but nothing even vaguely serious) and eat healithy with the kids/family.

It's totally caned me, and obviously doesnt discriminate. Seems like a bit of a lottery as too what it does to some people. Stay safe and inside peeps. You dont want it.

dee · Apr 6, 2020

LCHappy said:
Sorry you have had it and I'm glad you are on the mend but let's not get things confused here. When I and others round here had exactly the same symptoms late last year, I didn't call for a lock down, I didn't call for people not to go to work to pay for the health service that I could have depended upon.

People always catch something, people have always died from catching something, that's life. Some innocent people will die from this, that is life. Some innocent people get run over and killed by drunk drivers, we don't ban cars from the road. It's life.

By the way, your parents might find their private pension stops paying out in 8 weeks. I hope everyone that is happy for a total lock down then look their elderly relatives in the eye say it's for your own good as they can no longer afford to turn on the hot water for a wash. Wait until to see how many people get killed by not washing correctly?

We have to take the emotion out of this and look at the numbers or more people will die.

Totally get that. And its not about emotions for me. Its about not getting enough people seriously ill in one go that the system cant cope. There is no immunity....we all know what it is, and I suspect we'll mostly all be getting it in some form unless theres a vaccine developed soon.

LCHappy · Apr 6, 2020

dee said:
Totally get that. And its not about emotions for me. Its about not getting enough people seriously ill in one go that the system cant cope. There is no immunity....we all know what it is, and I suspect we'll mostly all be getting it in some form unless theres a vaccine developed soon.

Fair points. I'm not 100% sure I had it, but 99% sure I had it in December, although they say it is impossible - we'll see on that. It also knocked me for 6, coughing for another month, almost passing out and to be honest I think I had the lighter version of it.

Can I ask, I assume you haven't been tested, but I'm certain that you had had it. Do you consider yourself immune to it now? Or are you still taking precautions?