Corona please read very important

[BREWSTERS]

If Im correct in this thought then the mortality rate will be a very, very low one. There will be a scarier novel flu virus than this one so lets hope lots of lessons will have been learned, Im gobsmacked by how globally unprepared we were for this. I mean have world leaders not seen the 'Pandemic' docuseries that came out just before this!

I'm sure they have. The Rockefeller Foundation pretty much outlined this in their Lockstep document of 2011.

And then there was Event 201 from November last year.

 

[LCHappy]

Fingers crossed for Boris tonight. Best wishes to him and his family.

 

[diablo]

Looks like Sweden is about to abandon its "less lockdown" approach.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...legislation-allow-extraordinary-steps-combat/

Lena Hallengren, the country's health minister, said that government's limited existing powers would not allow it to take the tough actions necessary should infection numbers start to spiral upwards.

"We believe that the provisions currently available under the infectious diseases law are not sufficiently powerful," she told the country's TT newswire. The new law, she said, would give the authorities "possibilities which are at least close to those available to other countries."

 

[BREWSTERS]

They've been under increasing pressure from other countries telling them to lockdown.

 

[diablo]

Looks like Sweden is about to abandon its "less lockdown" approach.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...legislation-allow-extraordinary-steps-combat/

Lena Hallengren, the country's health minister, said that government's limited existing powers would not allow it to take the tough actions necessary should infection numbers start to spiral upwards.

"We believe that the provisions currently available under the infectious diseases law are not sufficiently powerful," she told the country's TT newswire. The new law, she said, would give the authorities "possibilities which are at least close to those available to other countries."

In related news, neighbouring Norway says the coronavirus outbreak is "under control" in the country - despite going for a stricter lockdown than Sweden.

"It said the reproduction rate of the disease, the number of new people infected by each patient with the virus, had fallen to 0.7.

That was down from 2.5 when containment measures such as closing public spaces and banning sports and cultural events were introduced in mid-March.

"This means that we have brought the coronavirus infection under control," Health Minister Bent Hoie told reporters."

https://www.dailysabah.com/world/eu...-under-control-in-norway-health-minister-says

 

[Richard K]

They've [Sweden] been under increasing pressure from other countries telling them to lockdown.

So what kind of pressure would that be then?

Why can't you just accept the obvious conclusion which is that they're locking down of their own accord because they've relucantly concluded that it's necessary?

 

[Murray]

Slight positive is Spain and Italy numbers seem to have plateaued and on the way down

 

[diablo]

So what kind of pressure would that be then?

Why can't you just accept the obvious conclusion which is that they're locking down of their own accord because they've relucantly concluded that it's necessary?

The Swedish government is coming under increasing pressure from Sweden's medical and scientific community to end its "less lockdown" policy

A petition signed by more than 2,300 doctors, scientists, and professors - including the chairman of the Nobel Foundation, professor Carl-Henrik Heldin - has called on the government to increase restrictions.

Professor Cecilia Soderberg-Naucler, a virus immunology expert at the Karolinska Institute, said: “We’re not testing enough, we’re not tracking, we’re not isolating enough – we’ve let the virus loose. They are leading us to catastrophe.”

https://www.theweek.co.uk/coronavirus/106382/is-sweden-s-experimental-coronavirus-plan-working

 

[BREWSTERS]

So what kind of pressure would that be then?

Why can't you just accept the obvious conclusion which is that they're locking down of their own accord because they've relucantly concluded that it's necessary?

I don't know, just repeating what I'd read.

You may be correct - I'm not married to any possibility, and can change my mind when evidence presents itself. That's what being open minded is. It may be that Sweden's numbers explode, or preferably, the UK's decrease dramatically. All I've been doing is comparing the two strategies between the UK and Sweden. Lockdown vs. none.

 

[Richard K]

The Swedish government is coming under increasing pressure from Sweden's medical and scientific community to end its "less lockdown" policy

A petition signed by more than 2,300 doctors, scientists, and professors - including the chairman of the Nobel Foundation, professor Carl-Henrik Heldin - has called on the government to increase restrictions.

Professor Cecilia Soderberg-Naucler, a virus immunology expert at the Karolinska Institute, said: “We’re not testing enough, we’re not tracking, we’re not isolating enough – we’ve let the virus loose. They are leading us to catastrophe.”

https://www.theweek.co.uk/coronavirus/106382/is-sweden-s-experimental-coronavirus-plan-working

Yes – but BREWSTERS was alleging that this pressure was coming from other countries. The point of my reply to him was that it seemed far more likely that the locking down would have emanated from opinions and decisions taken within Sweden, and your reply seems to bear this out.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Sweden's deaths has gone up substantially again today - 114 (extrapolated that's 731).

@Richard K - I have seen reports last week that other countries were putting pressure on Sweden to adopt harsher policies. I don't dispute that pressure has also come from within.

 

[Edwin]

758 people have died in hospital of the coronavirus in England alone in the last 24 hours.

854 people died in hospital across the UK as a whole. (That's sadly a new daily high. Previous highest daily high was 708 across the UK.)

That should mean the overall total is 6,227 deaths in hospital, if my math is correct.

 

[Richard K]

@Richard K - I have seen reports last week that other countries were putting pressure on Sweden to adopt harsher policies. I don't dispute that pressure has also come from within.

Thanks and noted.

 

[Murray]

854 people died in hospital across the UK as a whole. (That's sadly a new daily high. Previous highest daily high was 708 across the UK.)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52167016

"Experts are warning against over-interpreting daily figures of people dying with Covid-19, since they often reflect reporting delays. Spikes or dips may in part reflect bottlenecks in the reporting system, rather than real changes in the trend."

That would make sense since yesterday it was reported only 439 people passed away and now today a big jump

 

[diablo]

Always a good idea to compare like with like.

Scandinavian countries are socially, politically, and geographically similar, but to date only Sweden has chosen a more relaxed approach to lockdown.

Deaths as of today:

Sweden 591 people have died after testing positive (pop. 10.12m)

Norway 69 (pop. 5.4m)

Finland 34 (pop. 5.5m)

Denmark 187 (pop 5.6m)

 

[Edwin]

"Experts are warning against over-interpreting daily figures of people dying with Covid-19, since they often reflect reporting delays. Spikes or dips may in part reflect bottlenecks in the reporting system, rather than real changes in the trend."

That would make sense since yesterday it was reported only 439 people passed away and now today a big jump

Yes, exactly the same happened last weekend too. Two days of drops, followed by a big jump.

But today's big jump took us higher than the previous big jump. More clarity should come later in the week.

 

[starbird]

Like Scotland, the jump is due to how weekend deaths are announced. The pattern has been the same for weeks. Weekend deaths are not properly added until a couple of days into the new week.

 

[Edwin]

Like Scotland, the jump is due to how weekend deaths are announced. The pattern has been the same for weeks. Weekend deaths are not properly added until a couple of days into the new week.

The annoying thing is, the media plays the game every weekend of pretending that there's potentially a real downturn (up the top of the article) before explaining later (deep in the article) that the downturn is because of reporting delays.

But most people will only read the headline and maybe the first paragraph or two, and may feel able to relax their own lockdown behaviour under false pretenses.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Always a good idea to compare like with like.

Scandinavian countries are socially, politically, and geographically similar, but to date only Sweden has chosen a more relaxed approach to lockdown.

Deaths as of today:

Sweden 591 people have died after testing positive (pop. 10.12m)

Norway 69 (pop. 5.4m)

Finland 34 (pop. 5.5m)

Denmark 187 (pop 5.6m)

I get;

Sweden 591 people have died after testing positive (pop. 10.12m)

Norway 69 (pop. 5.4m) 83

Finland 34 (pop. 5.5m) 34

Denmark 187 (pop 5.6m) 203

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html​

 

[Gill]

Scandinavian countries are socially, politically, and geographically similar, but to date only Sweden has chosen a more relaxed approach to lockdown.

That's not actually correct, the Scandinavians are very different. The Danish personality is Germanic by nature, Finns are more closely related to the Baltic states and Northern Russia. The Norwegians and Swedes are at face value similar (certainly in language and culture) but are actually very different personality wise. Norwegians believe that Swedes are weak and never question things (it's true) and Swedes believe Norwegians are stupid (they have lots of jokes similar to what the British would have about the Irish).

On the whole Swedes are stoic, pragmatic and insular people who aren't prone to drama which is why they've been able to have this experiment and why there won't be any repercussions for the Swedish government. In short they just get on with it, their attitude will be that if people die it's because this is a bad virus that kills people.