Am I going in the right direction

[Rob_F]

Thanks rob, food for thought there.

Regarding the 60 rule - there is no 60 day lock down period with .uk domains - they can be transferred immediately after after registration, if required.

- Rob

 

[jonesyd01]

Ashton - I have explained why, I hate wasting money and the reality is I won't get sued as I am not trading using Apple's TMs the worst that could happen is they ask me to give them to Apple which if that happens I will be more than happy to do so free of charge, no ransom. I really don't want to cause offence but it is not in my nature to waste money. I know people will disagree with this but I have been around the block a few times and I know as soon as I delete them someone will re-register them. However, if I do sell my latest domain purchase I will consider deleting them and chalking it down to experience if it more than covers my investments.

Thanks Rob for the 60 day info.

 

[Ashton]

Ashton - I have explained why, I hate wasting money and the reality is I won't get sued as I am not trading using Apple's TMs the worst that could happen is they ask me to give them to Apple which if that happens I will be more than happy to do so free of charge, no ransom. I really don't want to cause offence but it is not in my nature to waste money. I know people will disagree with this but I have been around the block a few times and I know as soon as I delete them someone will re-register them. However, if I do sell my latest domain purchase I will consider deleting them and chalking it down to experience if it more than covers my investments.

Thanks Rob for the 60 day info.

You are USING apple's trademarks - you're only reason for regging those domains is to profit off them, even by PARKING a domain you can get sued because of the parking showing related results.

The worst that could happen is for them to sue you for losses and you to have to pay a huge court fee too.

Its behaviour like this that gives domainers a bad rep - you might not realise it but your attitudes and those of people like you make the press, you make us look like scammers and thieves. The domain industry in the uk would be bigger and better without people like you registering domains like that.

I have had to prove to so many buyers that I am legitimate and I imagine that buyers haven't come forward because they know of the bad side of domaining.

Honestly, have that red rep back - you haven't listened to the advice given by experienced domainers who have been in this game for years.

 

[jonesyd01]

I understand now exactly where you are coming from, why didn't someone give me that arguement before about reputation? However, I am not a domainer I am trying this to invest some of my savings and it is my hard earned cash that people are asking me to waste. I have taken advice on board and won't promote these on this forum, I believe it is only Apple who have the right to make me delete them as until then it is innocent until proven guilty. I like this forum but don't want to cause offence you guys clearly work hard and are very knowledgeable. In your eyes I have mad a mistake but I stubborn when it comes to my hard earned money and unfortunately I don't know any of you so it wouldn't be very shrewd (only in my opinion) to lose my initial investment.

If you are really not happy with this Ashton I will agree to differ and delete my account if you wish?

 

[Ashton]

I understand now exactly where you are coming from, why didn't someone give me that arguement before about reputation? However, I am not a domainer I am trying this to invest some of my savings and it is my hard earned cash that people are asking me to waste.

We are not asking you to waste it - we are telling you have already wasted it and to accept it as a loss and move on.

I believe it is only Apple who have the right to make me delete them as until then it is innocent until proven guilty.

By registering those domains you're already guilty - you are trying to profit off their product (that is the ONLY reason for buying those domains)

The fact you are aware and have publicly (on a google indexed thread) stated you intend to sell them to a reseller (which you wont be able to) is just a complete admission of guilt.

I don't know any of you so it wouldn't be very shrewd (only in my opinion) to lose my initial investment.

Ok, obviously money is the big thing to you here, not ethics or anything like that - so lets look at it from a money point of view.

Firstly, you can get sued for these domains. It is easier for them to order you to transfer it - but they wont. Its easier for them to sue you and make an example of you than to order the transfer from thousands of individuals just like you.

Secondly, it shows bad faith - registering a domain to profit off someones trademark is a bad bad sign. Lets say a company thinks they have a claim to your property services domain. They can link to that other thread, and this thread and show that you register domains in bad faith.

Lets say a year down the line you have a really premium domain and some company thinks they have a right to it and points to these threads, which gives them the edge.

You could lose so much over £12 or whatever you paid for those domains. Its just not worth it.

 

[jonesyd01]

It is really concerning me now why some people on here are so bothered? I am not promoting these domains on this forum. This thread is about theoryofrelativity.co.uk

As far as I am concerned I am not purchasing any more domains that could be viewed as TM infringements. The way I see the initial purchases are that they could be used by legitmate website developers for blogs or official reselling of accessories in the future. The iPad 3 isn't even out yet and I reckon Apple are grateful for the free advertising. But I don't even know why we are getting into this conversation as I don't want to discuss these domains on this forum as it offends some people and because of that I won't be doing similar activities again. The whole point was that I am new to this but I am not new to the potential of people trying to have one over on me (I am sure that is not the case, but from my point of view you never know.) What has happened is only a perception.

I don't want to discuss this again I have been civil and polite throughout eveb despite a couple of childish posts. As I said I am happy to delete my forum account and walk away. I feel that would be a shame though as I would bring noiche knowledge of certain sectors and commercial awareness. However there is something admiral in us both sticking to our principals. I'll leave it up to you.

 

[jonesyd01]

If I forwarded both domains to the Apple website what would be the implications of that and would that satisfy everyone?

 

[OwnThisDomain.co.uk]

However, I am not a domainer I am trying this to invest some of my savings and it is my hard earned cash that people are asking me to waste.

I think most domainers use their hard-earned cash to further their enterprise.
What type of cash do you think we are all using??

The iPad 3 isn't even out yet and I reckon Apple are grateful for the free advertising.

You really think so???

Anyway, you've certainly already been overloaded with lots of extremely sound advice about what to do so there's no real need for me to give more.

I, personally, am not asking you to waste your hard-earned cash. I think you, most likely, already did this when you registered the names.

Actually, I'm not asking you to do anything so you need not be concerned. You have the option to take or leave the advice which people have given you - advice which, in that first thread "New to this advice please", you specifically requested.

You seem bothered that if you surrender these Apple gems, someone else may / will register them. Well, that's quite possible but, even if some shyster does that, they're likely to end up with some serious complications if Apple ever decides to make an example out of them. Whoever tries to make money from such domains will have downright dirty, not just unclean, hands!

Guess it depends whether you want to run a clean shop or have something with more murky undertones...

Although it involves a .com and not a .co.uk, this thread may be an interesting read for you...
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/domai...t-been-served-udrp-warner-bros-need-help.html

As for theoryofrelativity.co.uk which is, after all, what this thread is about, I quite like it. Like others, I probably wouldn't have gone for it myself but, as an information site which relates to Einstein, physics, more general science for teenagers, encouraging kids to experiment / invent etc., it could become a very nice project, indeed.
You're right, it won't make you a millionaire but whether developing a site would make more money than just a trickle of adsense revenue would depend on affiliate possibilities and, whether you could consistently develop and expand such a site, and its content, over time to assist with your search engine ranking and, therefore, increase your traffic.

Best wishes, Richard

 

[Whibs]

I added positive rep when a started reading this post, looks like you had taken it on the chin and learnt a valuable lesson. Regging trademarks makes domainers look very bad.

Then i read a bit further...

You are creating a bad rep for yourself in this forum, where you want to learn, and giving domainers a bad name and you want us to help you?

Unfortunately i cannot remove my rep or change it to negative, i will have to wait.

As for advising you further "I am out"

 

[Edwin]

In the 2 threads you started, you've received arguably thousands of pounds worth of expertise for the cost of a couple of domain registrations you need to delete ASAP - a real bargain!

 

[jonesyd01]

I understand your points about protecting the integrity of domainers and therefore I will delete these accounts. I hope this shows that I also have integrity and am willing to listen to reasoned advice. However I get the following message when I try to do this on the Nominet website...

"The following domains are currently marked as unavailable because they have not been paid for:"

Do I have to wait for a period for the registrar to pay Nominet?

 

[Blossom]

I know as soon as I delete them someone will re-register them.

No one will re-register them, there's a reason why you were able to get hold of them in the first place. If someone does register them, it will be someone exactly like you...who doesn't know any better. Or a spammer intending to profit for a couple of weeks and then move on.

The way I see the initial purchases are that they could be used by legitmate website developers for blogs or official reselling of accessories in the future.

Apple official resellers have extremely strict and specific guidelines even down to how exactly they are allowed to phrase product names on their websites. I worked for the UK's biggest Apple reseller, and let me tell you Apple is ridiculously strict, telling us what products to promote and when, how much money to spend and had to approve all marketing relating to Apple products before it went out. If they didn't like the tone or the words, it had to be rewritten.

There is no way in hell they'd let any reseller sell from a domain name which is clearly a TM infringement. There's a whole section in their guidelines about domain names you are and aren't allowed to have. As far as I remember resellers aren't allowed to have any clearly Apple product-related names in their domain name (although I could be mistaken).

Non official resellers will be slapped down even faster.

The iPad 3 isn't even out yet and I reckon Apple are grateful for the free advertising.

If you think they'd give a shit about free advertising (not much free advertising anyway since the names are dormant) then you clearly have no idea how big companies work. Apple's marketing budget is insane, and they get more than enough free press from all the biggest blogs, new sites and forums talking about their products.

For a long time Apple refused to let even official resellers use trademarked words such as 'Macbook', 'iPad', 'Apple' and all their product names in Google Adwords ads because they were so protective of their trademarks. Google Adwords rules have changed since then thankfully...I'm sure if they had the choice they'd still stop it.

The whole point was that I am new to this but I am not new to the potential of people trying to have one over on me (I am sure that is not the case, but from my point of view you never know.)

You're being ridiculous and paranoid.

 

[popupbloke]

Hi,
One way forward is this
You have to wonder, of all those people who search for theoryofrelativity, what could you put on the webpage they land on that they would want to buy (or at least click on an advert for).
Books, earning commision from amazon say, sounds like a posibility, or science courses.

anyone interested in buying the domain name would be considering this too, to guage its value.

good luck, and thanks to all the other posters with their tm advice, these threads are an education for all newbs.
dave.popupbloke.

 

[jonesyd01]

Blossom please read my previous post.

 

[jonesyd01]

Thanks for the advice and support dave.popupbloke.

 

[Blossom]

If I forwarded both domains to the Apple website what would be the implications of that and would that satisfy everyone?

Apple is a company that has to have complete control of everything all the time. It's evident in every part of their business. I doubt they would be satisfied with the forwarding, although legally I don't know where they would stand...perhaps someone else can advise.

Although ultimately it's pointless to pay the reg fee to renew then, especially when you're so concerned about the money you've wasted already. Paying renewal costs for the next five or ten years would just be silly. Assuming you're keeping it because you want to sell it, you're going to find it extremely difficult to find a buyer, because you won't be able to advertise the name for sale anyway without Apple finding out about it (and that's even if you can find someone rich and stupid to sell it to).

 

[jonesyd01]

Thanks for all of your posts but please notice that I posted this earlier...

I understand your points about protecting the integrity of domainers and therefore I will delete these accounts. I hope this shows that I also have integrity and am willing to listen to reasoned advice. However I get the following message when I try to do this on the Nominet website...

"The following domains are currently marked as unavailable because they have not been paid for:"

Do I have to wait for a period for the registrar to pay Nominet?

 

[grantw]

Yeh, you'll either need to wait for 123-reg to pay their monthly bill or contact them direct and ask them to delete them. As it's before their bills been paid they would actually get their money back so you may too, I wouldn't hold out much hope on that though.

Grant

 

[jonesyd01]

Thanks Grant. I have made conact with 123-reg, and requested that the domains be surrendered. I hope this is satisfactory to everyone.

Anyone heard of Fast Buyer, they have asked me to give them a few days to come back to me regardin theoryofrelativity?

 

[Ashton]

Thanks Grant. I have made conact with 123-reg, and requested that the domains be surrendered. I hope this is satisfactory to everyone.

Well done, now lets make you some money with some proper domaining

Never heard about fast buyer. However, if you could get an information site up on google for theoryofrelativity I am sure you could sell some books (further reading) or make some money off adsense.