Why do we struggle?

[Retired_Member42]

It might help you if you start a new thread about seo marketing.

I'm reluctant to in case you come along and advise everyone to use an EMD. Then we'll have another out of control 10 pager on our hands.

If anyone is interested, my new eBook is available for £9.99 via http://seotutorials.org.uk/banging-on-about-seo/

I'll be back online later. I'm off for a KFC.com and a nice cold pint of Carlsberg.com.

 

[humble pie]

it is too late to reverse that with Google changes and the huge number of competing extensions

Stephen

wtf - are you having a tin bath..?

 

[Retired_Member42]

wtf - are you having a tin bath..?

I think Mr Brassneck is really starting to get where we are with everything domain-wise and can also see what the future holds.

Mr Humble Pie, grab yourself a slice and jump off the EMD bandwagon whilst you still can.

And one for the "despite SEO" brigade - What % of EMD buyers, past and present have or had no interest in SEO? How many of them seriously thought, hey this would make a great domain for my business, who cares about SEO?

 

[Brassneck]

wtf - are you having a tin bath..?

No - are you?

 

[humble pie]

I'll be back online later. I'm off for a KFC.com and a nice cold pint of Carlsberg.com.

Seriously you have to laugh at the irony..

How have you got time for a KFC boy when you should be busy hacking out some php and 'seoing up' your latest emd purchase flyerdesign.co.uk

I can't wait to see it in action - soon I guess?.. Would be a terrible waste if it sat in your portfolio for 10 years undeveloped.

 

[Retired_Member42]

Seriously you have to laugh at the irony..

How have you got time for a KFC boy when you should be busy hacking out some php and 'seoing up' your latest emd purchase flyerdesign.co.uk

I can't wait to see it in action - soon I guess?.. Would be a terrible waste if it sat in your portfolio for 10 years undeveloped.

I'm waiting for you to make me an offer on it seeming as you like it that much? You can throw your HTML5 lander on there save save yourself that 1p a click on PPC.

 

[Retired_Member42]

And why waste time developing it when I'll have a mass of real world end users climbing over themselves to buy it from me. No better domain for a company who offers flyer design is there? I'm going to spam them all later tonight quoting an article on EMDs from 2010, local exacts and PPC costs.

 

[Retired_Member42]

Just waiting on Websaway to copy and paste his same response from 5 pages back.

 

[websaway]

I'm reluctant to in case you come along and advise everyone to use an EMD. Then we'll have another out of control 10 pager on our hands.

If anyone is interested, my new eBook is available for £9.99 via http://seotutorials.org.uk/banging-on-about-seo/

I'll be back online later. I'm off for a KFC.com and a nice cold pint of Carlsberg.com.

I don't think this thread is out of control. If you want to write a book every time you respond then that can be quite frustrating when people don't entirely accept your point.
On the one hand I have been extolling the virtues of short exact premium domain names like lights . Whilst still accepting the merits of your argument.

On the other hand you have been deriding them and becoming annoyed because it's difficult make a strong case.

 

[humble pie]

So if the real world end users are still believers EMD can't be dead..? hang on, ohh ok I get you now, you've been meaning its dead in serps only - is that because some thin aff, emd .uk sites you *seo'd up* got slapped by google.

So if it does not work for *you* it means its dead for everyone else because google only applied the rules to stop that type thin junk?

I just google'd diy who's top I think your going to have to tell to sack that off as it's not able to 'promote their brand'.

I wonder what website users think of when they think of B&Q now?

And why waste time developing it when I'll have a mass of real world end users climbing over themselves to buy it from me. No better domain for a company who offers flyer design is there? I'm going to spam them all later tonight quoting an article on EMDs from 2010, local exacts and PPC costs.

 

[Retired_Member42]

I don't think this thread is out of control. If you want to write a book every time you respond then that can be quite frustrating when people don't entirely accept your point.
On the one hand I have been extolling the virtues of short exact premium domain names like lights . Whilst still accepting the merits of your argument.

On the other hand you have been deriding them and becoming annoyed because it's difficult make a strong case.

You're right, I'm absolutely fuming There is a reason I keep replying and that's because the responses amuse me. I wouldn't be here if I found it annoying.

So, please keep extolling on planet Websaway and I'll keep spouting my SEO nonsense here in the real world.

 

[websaway]

You're right, I'm absolutely fuming There is a reason I keep replying and that's because the responses amuse me. I wouldn't be here if I found it annoying.

So, please keep extolling on planet Websaway and I'll keep spouting my SEO nonsense here in the real world.

Read back over what you are saying and then read my posts.
I did not say your seo comments are nonsense, I said I recognised the merits of your argument.

I don't understand why you don't see the merits in my message that....
A short descriptive service/product/industry domain name like

Lights dot co dot uk

can be a massive short cut to company/service recognition.

 

[Retired_Member42]

So if the real world end users are still believers EMD can't be dead..? hang on, ohh ok I get you now, you've been meaning its dead in serps only - is that because some thin aff, emd .uk sites you *seo'd up* got slapped by google.

So if it does not work for *you* it means its dead for everyone else because google only applied the rules to stop that type thin junk?

I just google'd diy who's top I think your going to have to tell to sack that off as it's not able to 'promote their brand'.

I wonder what website users think of when they think of B&Q now?

That's a good example as I searched for the things I'd actually buy in B&Q such as power tools, garden furniture, lighting, wallpaper, decorating etc and diy.com is consistently outranked by Homebase?

 

[humble pie]

Jesus I'm glad your not doing my SE0 work

That's the icing in the cake - and demonstrates how much the point of this discussion has gone over your head.

That's a good example as I searched for the things I'd actually buy in B&Q such as power tools, garden furniture, lighting, wallpaper, decorating etc and diy.com is consistently outranked by Homebase?

 

[Retired_Member42]

Read back over what you are saying and then read my posts.
I did not say your seo comments are nonsense, I said I recognised the merits of your argument.

I don't understand why you don't see the merits in my message that....
A short descriptive service/product/industry domain name like

Lights dot co dot uk

can be a massive short cut to company/service recognition.

You keep saying the same thing over and over and you're right, I don't get understand it. What do you mean by service recognition? If you mean that they visit lights.co.uk and will know it's a site selling lights then surely they see that from the content? And where is the short cut to company recognition, it's your brand that makes you recognised where it's a keyword or not. It just fails on so many levels and without the SEO benefit which was once there I just don't think it's a good fit.

Homebase will continue to dominate the search results for the majority of keywords because people search for homebase, visit homebase.co.uk and spend significant time on the page to register the metrics. People who search for DIY may not be looking for B&Q, the metrics will reflect that and their weight will be lowered.

 

[Retired_Member42]

Jesus I'm glad your not doing my SE0 work

That's the icing in the cake - and demonstrates how much the point of this discussion has gone over your head.

Yes, because any SEO would tell you the best keyword to rank for in this example is DIY as opposed to the actual products the user is looking to buy. You're quite the genius.

 

[humble pie]

Yes, because any SEO would tell you the best keyword to rank for in this example is DIY as opposed to the actual products the user is looking to buy. You're quite the genius.

You've still missed the point..buying diy.com to be number one for wall paper, no, no, no..

If we're on this path what what about bathrooms.com and cheap flights I guess that's fail time too..

 

[humble pie]

I found a few more random ones for you to slag off!

car rentals .co.uk

experience days .co.uk

making a will (a god dam .org.uk too!)

I see if I can find any more of these dead EMD thingy's

 

[Retired_Member42]

You've still missed the point..buying diy.com to be number one for wall paper, no, no, no..

If we're on this path what what about bathrooms.com and cheap flights I guess that's fail time too..

No, all joking aside I understand your point completely in that B&Q have bought diy.com to make it easier to remember, easier for people to find them and so on. Nothing to do with wanting to rank for DIY or any of the aforementioned product keywords. I understand that and you should always choose a domain name that is memorable and allows people to find you in the easiest possible manner.

My points have been around choosing a brand name in order to get to the position of B&Q or at least compete with them online. Whilst choosing a domain such as DIY will have the benefits I just mentioned it will also be virtually impossible to build into a position of power to get those customers in the first place. You'd only stand a chance of becoming the next B&Q online if you could make use of all of the metrics I keep going on about. You're not going to do it by choosing a keyword domain, to compete you'll need to become a brand in your own right and you can only do that if you establish a clear identity not have it diluted by having to bolt on the extension to each mention/search of your brand.

You can't just advise people who are looking to make a name for themselves online to choose a name like diy.com as if it has some kind of benefit. It doesn't. In reality it only has a benefit if you've got the customer base to begin with and getting that customer base will be a real challenge without a clear cut identity.

But with all that said, if B&Q did use a brand other than DIY that was equally easy to remember, such as Homebase I think they'd cover all angles and would ultimately be in a better position for it. I don't think existing Homebase customers will forget or be unable to find Homebase.com / .co.uk and that DIY.com would have been significantly more helpful.

 

[Retired_Member42]

I found a few more random ones for you to slag off!

car rentals .co.uk

experience days .co.uk

making a will (a god dam .org.uk too!)

I see if I can find any more of these dead EMD thingy's

I'm not going to slag them off. There are a handful that rank and probably do very well for themselves. But that doesn't mean the other 20,000+ domains we're all sitting on will have the same effect. You can't use a handful of domains that rank to support your argument. I'm not trawling through Google and listing every brand name that supports my argument am I? I'd be here all night. The search results are dominated by brands and that's there for all to see.