Who introduced drop catching at Nominet

[Edwin]

As always Edwin you have a knack for only drawing attention to areas that you feel worth highlighting - very often omitting any overall picture that dosen't deliver your intended message. Glad to see your true to form

Not sure what "agenda" you think I'm pushing, but I can tell you that I don't have one. I thought it would be interesting to post a bit about GTLD drops because that was a space I was quite busy in during 1998-2005ish before prices REALLY started to climb.

 

[grantw]

I'm glad you mention the inability of people to "Garner" the system - and so it bloody well should be - Hence we have a "Market" and not the bloody cartel of the UK system - That of Course Nominet are now trying to fix, before they get thrown out of office

The thing is though, if I went to 123-reg tomorrow and said look, rewrite your T&Cs, I'll put all your expiring domains up for public auction on my system and you get 50% of the profit for doing nothing, I'm pretty sure most people would see that as dodgy, but that's pretty much what's happened in the Gtld drop market.

Grant

 

[Bailey]

The thing is though, if I went to 123-reg tomorrow and said look, rewrite your T&Cs, I'll put all your expiring domains up for public auction on my system and you get 50% of the profit for doing nothing, I'm pretty sure most people would see that as dodgy, but that's pretty much what's happened in the Gtld drop market.

Grant

Indeed Grant - And thats why it's a success, with the motivation and awareness (and dare I say expertise to make it happen, ie bigger business outlook and market accessibility) This then reflects on an 'Individuals' ability to achieve real returns on their ability to spot domains and immediately offer them at 'Market acceptable prices"

Wouldn't fit Edwins model by a mile - just how many product/market descriptives do you see in the top Gtld sales every week (Dnjournal.com) Not Many. Just how many top sales were driven by 'Exacts' = Not Many No 2. (I accept there are one or two real high profile ones)

I'm not saying "exacts " domains aren't at work but, the domains that sell were registered due to "Market awareness" (therefore - Not Code Driven capture)

The Gtld model has given 'Credence' to the prices asked for Gtld's - No matter who the seller is. The fact that the Major domain registration services have an interest in a high profile resale market is a bonus for everyone.


Now i'm in danger of Edwin countering with a total sales volume (as in pounds and pence) for exacts. because that what he does. Willing to publish all the data - selective editing in his arguments. And I do luv him really X (where would we be without the man that was brave enough to front Joe Public at retail exhibitions with his UK domain resale business)

 

[RobM]

The Nominet DAC wasn't designed for dropcatching. It was designed for high volume lookups for public-facing registrars with large query volume potential in the normal, day-to-day course of their business.

And the time-delay DAC is for......

 

[aZooZa]

And the time-delay DAC is for......

I'm talking about the original DAC and the premise for its creation.

 

[Edwin]

Wouldn't fit Edwins model by a mile - just how many product/market descriptives do you see in the top Gtld sales every week (Dnjournal.com) Not Many. Just how many top sales were driven by 'Exacts' = Not Many No 2.

As always Edwin you have a knack for only drawing attention to areas that you feel worth highlighting - very often omitting any overall picture that dosen't deliver your intended message. Glad to see your true to form

Bailey, would you care to post a public, logic-based explanation about why you feel compelled to attack me on this and other issues, and resort to insults about my character?

 

[Bailey]

Bailey, would you care to post a public, logic-based explanation about why you feel compelled to attack me on this and other issues, and resort to insults about my character?

I don't see them as insults at all, and I'm sorry you see them that way.. I will draw attention to 'Steers' that I think are motivated by a perception that dosen't agree with my own - as in your above willingness to jump in and attack ICANN as a body (Yet surprisingly always 'Publicly' supportive of Nominet)

It's not personal it's an observation of your posts and dare I say willingless to be very selective in your links to anything that supports your perceptions - me I'm just here for the chat

Your above link to a Seven year old adverse blog/report about ICANN (no I won't bother reading it)Because A link to Seven year old (2005/8)report/blog about Nominet, probably has about the same relevance to todays scenarios

 

[Edwin]

Your above link to a Seven year old adverse blog/report about ICANN (no I won't bother reading it)Because A link to Seven year old (2005/8)report/blog about Nominet, probably has about the same relevance to todays scenarios

It was nothing to do with ICANN. It explained the GTLD drop process.

 

[Edwin]

I don't see them as insults at all, and I'm sorry you see them that way.. I will draw attention to 'Steers' that I think are motivated by a perception that dosen't agree with my own - as in your above willingness to jump in and attack ICANN as a body (Yet surprisingly always 'Publicly' supportive of Nominet)

I was supportive of Nominet prior to 1 October because I believed they did a better job of managing the .co.uk namespace than ICANN and the GTLD registrars did of managing .com, and served UK consumers better.

Since 1 October and the revelation that Nominet will throw everyone and everything under the bus in pursuit of a jackpot windfall from .uk (even as far as to make the UK internet more dangerous - more phishing, more misdirected emails) my attitude has completely changed.

Think of it as an old friend you've got on with very well, until the day he turns out to be a cannibal. You can't undo your old feelings (they happened, they're history), but you'll certainly look at him in a very different light after that.

 

[Bailey]

It was nothing to do with ICANN. It explained the GTLD drop process.

Your comments did nothing to hide your contempt for ICANN. But lets be honest, Today they wouldn't be able to overrule the top Tld registration services in a month of Sundays - and why should ICANN want to. The model works

Edwin we've spoken privately before, theres no animosity from me I can assure you, But I will always comment directly where I believe a subtle (or not so subtle) steer is being added.

either way theres an educated membership here that will form their own judgement

 

[Edwin]

Your comments did nothing to hide your contempt for ICANN. But lets be honest, Today they wouldn't be able to overrule the top Tld registration services in a month of Sundays - and why should ICANN want to. The model works

Why should I hide my contempt? They've been widely pilloried in the mainstream media (recently, not 7 years ago) e.g.

http://www.technologyreview.com/review/428911/icanns-boondoggle/

http://business.time.com/2012/01/13/icanns-new-top-level-domains-could-spell-trouble/

http://www.informationweek.com/internet/policy/icanns-vanity-top-level-domain-names-fra/232400169

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/15/businesses_will_have_to_wait_and_see_on_risks_of_new_tlds/

http://econsultancy.com/jp/blog/7223-the-jobs-fiasco-and-gtld-insanity

and thousands more similar references. This won't come as news to anyone who's been following the new GTLD process and its evolution over the last few years.

 

[aZooZa]

You two should chill - crack open a bottle of Jack Daniels and share virtually