.UK Announced

[Systreg]

and .org.uk and .me.uk. I wonder what he'd say if asked why he registered .org.uk and .me.uk? After all, they're not commercial extensions. Maybe it's because he doesn't have a trademark and thinks that registering all possible exts. will protect him?

He likes protecting his name/brand, from a quick glance he also owns tradeplumbing.com, .net, .org, .biz and .info, along with trade-plumbing.me.uk, trade-plumbing.org.uk, trade-plumbing.net, trade-plumbing.org, trade-plumbing.me, trade-plumbing.tv, trade-plumbing.biz and trade-plumbing.info

 

[foz]

Notice the "TM" next to .co.uk.

I wonder when the "right to use your .co.uk fee" will be launched

 

[GreyWing]

Notice the "TM" next to .co.uk.

I wonder when the "right to use your .co.uk fee" will be launched

That's the daft thing Garth, Nominet want it both ways. They no more own rights in co.uk than I own hgv.co.uk. So how can they claim to have trademarked it whilst saying non of us have rights?

.uk is owned by ICANN, so if Nominet are saying they can trademark co.uk then the principle is set that I have rights in hgv.co.uk

hgv.co.uk is just one step further away from the source than .co.uk, the precedent has been established by Nominet. That precedent does matter whether your domain is one stage away of 50 sub domains away, it can be TM'd and rights have been established.

ICANN can remove .uk from Nominet and give is to another UK company to administer if they wish.

Nominet's double standards again, although when it gets tested in court, Nominet's argument can't stand logically.

 

[foz]

http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/cctlds

A somewhat vague exchange of each responsibilities.

http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/cctlds/uk/nominet-icann-letters-02may06-en.pdf

http://www.icann.org/en/resources/cctlds/delegation

(b) TLD Manager Responsibility. TLD managers are trustees for the delegated domain, and have a duty to serve the community. The designated manager is the trustee of the TLD for both the nation, in the case of ccTLDs, and the global Internet community. Concerns about "rights" and "ownership" of domains are inappropriate. It is appropriate, however, to be concerned about "responsibilities" and "service" to the community.

 

[aZooZa]

Nominet's TM application for .co.uk:

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2631157
9th August 2012 - status 'examined'
Other marks: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-adp?propnum=0751643001

 

[anthony]

Nominet's TM application for .co.uk:

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2631157
9th August 2012 - status 'examined'
Other marks: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-adp?propnum=0751643001

For .co.uk, that's comical! I'm going to raise an objection to that one!

 

[aZooZa]

For .co.uk, that's comical! I'm going to raise an objection to that one!

So might the UK Co-operative - they have a granted mark on it too.

 

[GreyWing]

For .co.uk, that's comical! I'm going to raise an objection to that one!

It's hard to know if that is the right thing to do mate, it is 50/50. If they get it granted then it is precedent for everyone to have rights in domain names, something that Nominet have always said was not allowed.

The very fact that they applied for it shows that they believe that their are rights available in it. Something that will come up in any case should .uk go ahead.

So I guess it is too late for them to remove that coming up now anyway. The stuff from Nominet is staggering, not because of what they are doing but they are so incompetent in trying to pull this off. No long term vision to how it can be used against them.

 

[Stephen]

agreatplacetobe.co.uk makeover?

I see a new campaign for agreatplacetobe.co.uk was launched today:

http://twitter.com/#!/outsideline/status/296736116718051328

Has the website agreatplacetobe.co.uk also had a makeover?

I cannot be sure but it looks like some work has been done it?

On some investigation link *313 by Edwin on this thread
http://www.agreatplacetobe.co.uk/why-uk/
with the extensions no longer resolves.
Not good SEO for a marketing site not to redirect.

They don't seem to have left a blank space for .uk on which UK?

When Nominet were asked why do you still have a campagin "a great place to be" during the .uk proposal, it was they were promoting UK domains and not just .co.uk.

 

[foz]

Has the website agreatplacetobe.co.uk also had a makeover?

Yes, some additions. TM appearing over .co.uk extension.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://agreatplacetobe.co.uk

 

[Stephen]

DNSSEC - knowthenet.co.uk?

Security smokescreen.

Still looking into Nominet proposal and its flaws and where Nominet have mislead people.

Just checked out "knowthenet.co.uk" Nominet's website for

Stay Safe
Stay Legal
Stay informed​

to try and find information about DNSSEC and how important it is?

For those that dont know DNSSEC was one of the central compulsory measures that made .uk more secure than .co.uk and .org.uk.

No results or trace of DNSSEC being a solution to help prevent cybercrime on the website.

http://www.knowthenet.co.uk/search/node/dnssec

Also if you type in ".uk" to search box and press the search button - something odd happens!

 

[Nigel]

Security smokescreen.

Still looking into Nominet proposal and its flaws and where Nominet have mislead people.

Just checked out "knowthenet.co.uk" Nominet's website for

Stay Safe
Stay Legal
Stay informed​

to try and find information about DNSSEC and how important it is?

For those that dont know DNSSEC was one of the central compulsory measures that made .uk more secure than .co.uk and .org.uk.

No results or trace of DNSSEC being a solution to help prevent cybercrime on the website.

http://www.knowthenet.co.uk/search/node/dnssec

Also if you type in ".uk" to search box and press the search button - something odd happens!

Agree with this Stephen. See my bolded section in this official OFCOM report into DNSSEC. Strange that Nominet never discovered the same facts in their interviews and surveys!

"The biggest barrier to DNSSEC deployment is the inability to quantify the benefit gained by its deployment. In interviews, ISPs and other hosting companies all say that there is no customer demand for DNSSEC. While they understand the benefit for authenticating DNS queries, they have no economic justification for its development or deployment. With the signing of the second-level domain for .UK one of the biggest barriers to deployment has been removed."

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/internet/domain-name-security/

 

[Stephen]

26th February 2013 +

What's the likelihood of it going through? When is the final decision being made?

The summary of the .uk consultation will be presented to the next Nominet Board meeting, they did not hold one in January.

We all wait until 26th February 2013 the next Nominet Board meeting plus the delay in making the announcement which has typically been 2 weeks before release of board minutes.

Lets hope they make this annoucement a bit quicker than normal!

Nominet have stated they will try to release the news quicker than normal but have not specified how quickly that maybe?

As to your first question "What's the likelihood of it going through?"

It will certainly not go through as proposed but nobody knows what Nominet will do?

 

[Edwin]

What's the likelihood of it going through? When is the final decision being made?

Likelihood: who knows.

The only sane decision is a very public, very vocal turning down of the whole direct.uk concept, citing a mash-up of the various key issues and concerns many on here and elsewhere have spent the last 3.5 months re-iterating at them as justification for doing so. We all go back to the status quo a bit bruised and battered, but not too much the worse for wear (especially if they make a GOOD job of turning down direct.uk i.e. in such a way that it's clear that the matter is dead, buried, with a stake through the heart)

Any other route (barring GIGANTIC changes in the initial proposal) opens up enough cans of worms to start a wormery, from lawsuits (individual and class action) on all manner of grounds to regulatory and governmental challenges, challenges to the composition of the Board (think EGM), etc. etc. There are so many spokes that can be thrown into the wheels should Nominet try and go ahead that the sparks will fly for years. Sadly, that's not to say they won't try - I've long since lost confidence in the "sanity" of the direct.uk consultation process given the way they've sought to manipulate the message they've been giving to the media about the whole concept.

 

[aZooZa]

The problem with Nominet is that they prevaricate and never draw a final line. It will no doubt be 'shelved' instead of concluded.

Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 2

 

[Nigel]

The summary of the .uk consultation will be presented to the next Nominet Board meeting, they did not hold one in January.

We all wait until 26th February 2013 the next Nominet Board meeting plus the delay in making the announcement which has typically been 2 weeks before release of board minutes.

Lets hope they make this annoucement a bit quicker than normal!

Nominet have stated they will try to release the news quicker than normal but have not specified how quickly that maybe?

As to your first question "What's the likelihood of it going through?"

It will certainly not go through as proposed but nobody knows what Nominet will do?

Hi Stephen

The last board meeting appears to have been in November when they showed total registrations of 10,276,759 as at 31 October 2012. I expect a fall off in registrations soon. However I expect that this may not start showing until 31 January 2012 as Nominet do not give any indication of domains that are suspended (they just give the number of domains on the register - which no doubt includes suspended domains). So the first lapses will not occur until 90 days after the 1st October consultation i.e. from 1st January 2013. And it will probably take a couple of months from Jan 2013 for the trend to be seen.

I expect however that Nominet have now noticed a surge in the number of domains suspended since they launched the direct.uk consultation. The Registrars (the same ones backing direct.uk) have probably voiced their concerns as income has dropped. Perhaps Nominet panicked and that is the reason for this insane marketing of .co.uk on the radio yesterday. More will come clear soon.

 

[Edwin]

My Nominet Business Intelligence account reports a growth rate of -0.16% for .uk in December 2012 (it's the only month apart from June 2009 where there was negative growth, and it's also the worst month in their records, which go back to 1998).

 

[Stephen]

My Nominet Business Intelligence account reports a growth rate of -0.16% for .uk in December 2012 (it's the only month apart from June 2009 where there was negative growth, and it's also the worst month in their records, which go back to 1998)

Hence Nominets push with agreatplacetobe.co.uk?

The only growth .uk proposal has created is the length of this record breaking thread and today is the day it goes over 100,000 views!

 

[Edwin]

Hence Nominets push on agreatplacetobe.co.uk?

No, I don't think that's necessarily the case.

AGreatPlaceToBe.co.uk has been running for a while - indeed, Nominet put a lot of effort/money behind it at Internet World last year.

I think it's more likely that different streams of activity at Nominet are continuing in parallel, i.e. planned marketing campaigns are ongoing while other parts of the organisation deal with collating and processing the direct.uk consultation results.

After all, IF they reject direct.uk entirely, they don't want to find themselves even further set back along the competitiveness road vs new GTLD etc. by having completely neglected their core .co.uk business which is the source of 93%+ of their revenue. It's hard to think of what is a reasonably large organisation simply saying "Ok, let's not do any marketing for 5 months while we figure out if we're going to launch something or not" and then giving their marketing team a 5-month sabbatical.

However, it's very obvious that the campaign can very easily be badly PERCEIVED given what's also going on around direct.uk - and that perception can turn into something worse should direct.uk go ahead because it's more AMMUNITION to use against Nominet.

 

[Nigel]

My Nominet Business Intelligence account reports a growth rate of -0.16% for .uk in December 2012 (it's the only month apart from June 2009 where there was negative growth, and it's also the worst month in their records, which go back to 1998).

Thanks Edwin - I assume that's just the new registrations figure for December declining - the suspended domains figure is probably massive and they'll start dropping off the register from 1st January 2013. Of course a lot of UK registrants are still in the dark about the consultation - especially with radio campaigns like that on Lincs FM telling them everything is hunky dory with .co.uk!