R.I.P Mrs Thatcher

[dashu1]

The BBC news website has made a goof (deliberate no doubt) in their headline saying Thatcher died from a strike instead of stroke.

 

[websaway]

How symbolic Thatcher died at Ritz as special guest of a couple of millionaire tax-avoiders. Not playing pass-the-parcel in a nursing home.

Not bad for a young girl who grew up living over her dads grocery shop.

I sometimes wonder if the people who hated her most resented the fact she was female. For some men that was a hard pill to swallow in the 70's and 80's

 

[dashu1]

Not bad for a young girl who grew up living over her dads grocery shop.

I sometimes wonder if the people who hated her most resented the fact she was female. For some men that was a hard pill to swallow in the 70's and 80's

That possibly has a lot to do with it.

You can understand why the miners from a traditionally male working class environment particularly hated a woman they perceived to be upper class costing them their jobs.

 

[Bailey]

I haven't read all the posts - but it is a sad day (I'm a Labour Man)

She played her part in the public-eye well, The Name given was right she was as "Strong as Iron" in the Public arena.

I often think the German Chancellor got her lead from Mrs T. What she done outside of Britain for the difficulties of the rest of the world is only just coming to light. In her final years she didn't even remember she had been Prime-Minister or indeed a Politician , Maybe her passing is a blessing for for Mrs T, May God rest her Soul

 

[anthony]

Domestically it's not what Thatcher did that was the problem; it's what she and her party didn't do. The old & heavy industries were dying, and the unions were in need of a good kicking as they were strangling the life out of the country. Having dealt with these issues, they abjectly failed to put any higher level manufacturing initiatives in their place, rendering much of the North an unemployment wasteland. What was left has migrated south over the past 30 years to sit alongside the service sector organisations and financial muggers who run the country today. She couldn't light a candle to Heseltine in my opinion, who was the greatest leader the Tories never had, that's because he 'got it', and still argues to this day regarding the follies of the London centric imbalance of the UK economy.

Internationally she was more successful, and she had a lasting and tangible effect on the political landscape dominating the European continent. For that, she is to be lauded.

 

[Bailey]

Good post Anthony - but Heseltine was a fudger and I really don't think he could have stood the test and trial as PM. All things considered I do think we get what we deserve. The Country was looking and indeed needing strong leadership as Mrs T stepped-in. It could have been a Labour man of the same character but it wasn't.

Mrs T legacy - is an endearing one. Bit of the ol'Churchill at work

 

[aZooZa]

I don't do online politics but goodbye to Maggie. As Blair said, she was a great Briton.

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[GreyWing]

Some clever jokes doing the rounds on Sikipedia, I can imagine even Maggie laughing at them... She did at least seem to have a sense of humour and was able to laugh at herself.

 

[LordBull]

Radio2 now .. all the views !!

 

[retired_member32]

God bless Maggie...now we have Cameron, when he dies he will be famous for....gay marriage , Tony Blair will be famous for allowing millions of low educated tosh from Foreign climbs to take refuge on these shores , Gordon Brown for not switching his microphone off whilst ranting about a little old woman , and when i asked my old man about maggie he said they stopped the free milk in schools

she had bad policies, they all have but she gave hope...people could buy there council houses and when the ministers that proceeded her couldn't be arsed to fund more development she gets it in the neck, she done a lot more than everyone that has taken up the post since.

and she was from the east midlands so she cant be that bad

 

[scooter]

Tony Blair:
I think he will also be best known for brown nosing his American boyfriend and hand in hand, they led us in to a war that was in the eyes of international law, illegal.

Together, the pair of them were weapons of mass deception but the truth prevailed, none were found and it was all a load of bollocks.

We're all doomed:
Saddam Hussein's armoury of chemical weapons is on standby for use within 45 minutes, Tony Blair's dossier revealed today.
The Iraqi leader has 20 missiles which could reach British military bases in Cyprus, as well as Israel and Nato members Greece and Turkey.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-139703/Just-45-minutes-attack.html


I feel sorry for General Powell. Hung out to dry as he stood up in front of the Western televised world and gave us fascinating sketches of the mobile WMD artic lorries ready to be deployed at a moments notice anywhere in Iraq. What a load of tosh he was fed.



Gordon Brown:
AKA "goldfinger". Sold our reserves for washers. He should have swapped for bitcoins.


Maggie:
She was an iron lady and her whole cabinet were shit scared of her. Not very democratic.

Always a bone of contention. Granted, she did have to break the union stranglehold on industry but she also decimated industry by putting all her eggs into one basket, the financial sector and by doing so she also bred a culture of pure greed and dog eat dog. Take or be taken. "lunch is for wimps"

Look where our financial sector has gotten us now.
It is a myth to say we are where we are due to circumstances more than the banking scandal.

The only semi strong economy in Europe is Gemany and that is because of their industrial output, not their financial sector.

God bless Maggie




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[retired_member29]

I was to young to remember Maggie. But after speaking to both my parents, reading about what some world vip's said about her, and the fact the Queen is attending her funeral. My opinion is she done more good than harm.

 

[retired_member29]

I haven't read all the posts - but it is a sad day (I'm a Labour Man)

Wow that is a surprise. I would of had you down as tory, and probably a considerable few points to the right tory.

 

[Aegean]

One aspect I've been struck by on the news is what some women are saying. On BBC world news, they have interviewed three or four different women about this.

Basically they are saying Margaret Thatcher did absolutely nothing for women. She apparently didn't like dealing with women, didn't want any women on the cabinet and was reluctant to promote any women to important positions in the ministerial, diplomatic and advisory sectors.

For someone who was the first female Prime Minister, this has really surprised me. I knew about the cabinet but I didn't realise she veered away from women instead of helping them be more recognised in the world of work and politics.

 

[Retired_member41]

Lets face facts.

She was a puppet when she first took office, and when she started calling the shots herself, the tory grandfathers got rid of her.

Decisions were taken in the old school tie and other societies hierarchys, and she was gullible enough to think what she was doing was good and earning her respect.

Her decision to act upon these instructions is the stupidest sin and then stand her ground the worst.

Conservatives waffle on about her sweeping the vote so gaining a mandate, err hello, the labour fools votes were split at the time with breakaway labour parties, letting the woman in.

So she had a small fraction of the UK's vote and acted like her friends from south america.

This is the woman whos family allowed her son to sell arms and try to over throw governments, not to mention the foolish things she backed around the world, like the whites in SA.

The lodge numbers must be dwindling at the moment, as the circle starts again.

 

[websaway]

Lets face facts.

She was a puppet when she first took office, and when she started calling the shots herself, the tory grandfathers got rid of her.

Decisions were taken in the old school tie and other societies hierarchys, and she was gullible enough to think what she was doing was good and earning her respect.

Her decision to act upon these instructions is the stupidest sin and then stand her ground the worst.

Conservatives waffle on about her sweeping the vote so gaining a mandate, err hello, the labour fools votes were split at the time with breakaway labour parties, letting the woman in.

So she had a small fraction of the UK's vote and acted like her friends from south america.

This is the woman whos family allowed her son to sell arms and try to over throw governments, not to mention the foolish things she backed around the world, like the whites in SA.

The lodge numbers must be dwindling at the moment, as the circle starts again.

Depends on the facts you see as most important.
When Britain was on it's knees, in steep decline and ungovernable, she was the one dispite it being massively unpopular who picked the country up and restored it's international standing and got Britain functioning again.
When people vote for a leader it's normally because they are serving the selfish interests of the voter ( human nature) not many people look at the interests of the country and therefore unlike tony blair who was giving away £10 notes for £9.99 and then left the country to pick up the bill, she tried to do the right things for the country despite it ruining her popularity.

 

[Blossom]

One aspect I've been struck by on the news is what some women are saying. On BBC world news, they have interviewed three or four different women about this.

Basically they are saying Margaret Thatcher did absolutely nothing for women. She apparently didn't like dealing with women, didn't want any women on the cabinet and was reluctant to promote any women to important positions in the ministerial, diplomatic and advisory sectors.

For someone who was the first female Prime Minister, this has really surprised me. I knew about the cabinet but I didn't realise she veered away from women instead of helping them be more recognised in the world of work and politics.

I saw a video years ago of her being interviewed by children on a kids' TV programme (before she became PM) saying that she didn't think a woman could be a good Prime Minister. Ironically. Or perhaps somewhat truthfully, depending on your view of her.

 

[Bailey]

Maggie was believed to be quite a softy (with a fair bit of self-doubt and remorse) outside of politics, by those who knew her. But, perhaps rightly felt she had to portray herself in a very-strong persona, in the public eye, because she was a women.

Those that criticise her leadership can only really pick on "single policies decisions" with hindsight. I don't agree with those who feel Britain is weaker today because of Mrs T, times where changing Globally, France is still a Country very much in the grip of it's Unions, and is still even now fighting the Long-battle.

On the SouthAfrican front - Lets not forget Mrs T actually wanted to see and support a stable transition Government, believing that would come around best through a moderate leadership overtime. Rather than supporting the freevote chaos that may, and did prove to ensue even to today. Bringing the Country to almost to it's knees

 

[Nigel]

Maggie was believed to be quite a softy (with a fair bit of self-doubt and remorse) outside of politics, by those who knew her. But, perhaps rightly felt she had to portray herself in a very-strong persona, in the public eye, because she was a women.

Those that criticise her leadership can only really pick on "single policies decisions" with hindsight. I don't agree with those who feel Britain is weaker today because of Mrs T, times where changing Globally, France is still a Country very much in the grip of it's Unions, and is still even now fighting the Long-battle.

On the SouthAfrican front - Lets not forget Mrs T actually wanted to see and support a stable transition Government, believing that would come around best through a moderate leadership overtime. Rather than supporting the freevote chaos that may, and did prove to ensue even to today. Bringing the Country to almost to it's knees

Good post Bailey - agree with this 100%. In the 70s the unions had such a stranglehold on business and employees. It was intimidating and Maggie took the unions on. That's why they hate her - and all these youngsters who are celebrating don't understand the intimidating atmosphere that prevailed in a lot of workplaces. They would have hated it.

 

[scooter]

Good post Bailey - agree with this 100%. In the 70s the unions had such a stranglehold on business and employees. It was intimidating and Maggie took the unions on. That's why they hate her - and all these youngsters who are celebrating don't understand the intimidating atmosphere that prevailed in a lot of workplaces. They would have hated it.

Sadly it has now gone full circle and management rule by intimidation in a lot of sectors of employment.

Greed prevails. Top management award themselves astronomical bonuses as they cut the workforce, reduce real time wages and change employment terms and conditions to the detriment of the workforce.

The management even award themselves astronomical bonuses when the company is failing. :lol:



Lets look at Amazon:
Below is one towns story. A great insight into Amazon's workings.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ed6a985c-70bd-11e2-85d0-00144feab49a.html#slide0

Yes, it is a job, no it is not secure, they pay 1p higher than the minimum wage and it certainly seems intimidating.

Amazon UK sales 2012: £3.3bn
Corporation Tax paid: £0




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