One person catching a lot...

[timter51]

No becasue according to Nominets website they are release randomly

I know, I'm just trying to grasp the conspiracy theories It does sound very plausible if a) they aren't actually random, Nominet just want us to think they are and b) he's either cracked the code or got insider information.

 

[Retired_Member42]

No becasue according to Nominets website they are release randomly

To catch so consistently with so much competition at any point in the 24 hours and the drop time be completely random is impossible. The maths don't allow it.

It's either knowing the drop time or utilising a lot more tags/quota. This is not a single script / DAC quota running that fast for 24 hours. Not a chance.

 

[timter51]

To catch so consistently with so much competition at any point in the 24 hours and the drop time be completely random is impossible. The maths don't allow it.

It's either knowing the drop time or utilising a lot more tags/quota. This is not a single script / DAC quota running that fast for 24 hours. Not a chance.

So if you had a multiple tag/quota system in place, you could just hammer the DAC across the tags, and then register to your primary tag for the catch? You'd only need 4 tags to trump the theoretical 16.67/sec limit of one tag across 60 secs, with 20/sec possible across the 4 sticking to the 24hour 5/sec limit. You wouldn't need to know exact drop times then. Sounds like a bloody good plan... despite Nominet not allowing multiple tags, you'd only need some mates up for it. Sorry if this is all common knowledge, I'm still catching up!

 

[Darren]

You are all barking up the wrong tree, Denys is not using multiple registrar resources.

 

[DaveP]

It's either knowing the drop time or utilising a lot more tags/quota. This is not a single script / DAC quota running that fast for 24 hours. Not a chance.

Well it's always the same TAG catching and I don't think it's multiple but perhaps his found a way around the limits?

 

[Retired_Member42]

Well it's always the same TAG catching and I don't think it's multiple but perhaps his found a way around the limits?

You can run your checks from different tags and reg it to whichever you wish. Seeing them all on Denys public tag doesn't mean anything.

Denys is catching both morning, noon and night against people who I know are running for 60ms / 7.2 hour windows and is consistently beating them.

To run on a single tag for 24 hours, no matter how fast your script is, would be extremely slow. You would only get lucky in catching a premium.

 

[Darren]

It is an assumption but im almost 100% certain.

 

[grantw]

To catch so consistently with so much competition at any point in the 24 hours and the drop time be completely random is impossible. The maths don't allow it.

There have been multiple ways discovered over the years to do exactly this, so dismissing it as impossible is a mistake.

It's much easier to cry bug/foul play than it is to put the time in to find out what's happening for yourselves, but it's not going to get you anywhere 'cos there is no bug or foul play going on as far as I can see.

Grant

 

[foz]

So if you had a multiple tag/quota system in place, you could just hammer the DAC across the tags, and then register to your primary tag for the catch? You'd only need 4 tags to trump the theoretical 16.67/sec limit of one tag across 60 secs, with 20/sec possible across the 4 sticking to the 24hour 5/sec limit. You wouldn't need to know exact drop times then. Sounds like a bloody good plan... despite Nominet not allowing multiple tags, you'd only need some mates up for it. Sorry if this is all common knowledge, I'm still catching up!

Yep, and if more tags are on board the better. If one of his underlings does shock horror get a goody it goes on domain lore and he gets 50% of the sale proceeds.

 

[Retired_Member42]

There's a difference between knowing the drop time and knowing the drop order. Many years ago a number of people worked out the drop time (the interval) between domain names dropping. What they didn't know is which domain names would drop at the particular time intervals. Obviously it would help to know which time intervals to target ones resources at and would help even more if one had figured out a drop pattern or order.


(from iPhone)

This would make sense as Nominet did say that the drop time is dependent on how many domains are in the schedule to drop on a given day. Perhaps if you knew X domains were dropping within a 24 hour period you could calculate if there was a set time interval in between each drop. Total domains / seconds in the day and so on but you still wouldn't know which domains are dropping when. Although if domain 1 did drop at 00:00 and there was X seconds between the second drop then you could pool your resources to account for that.

 

[timter51]

In respect of the live DAC, yes. Purely for clarification here is it assumed to be a breach of the anti avoidance rules to buy in access to more DAC whether that be the live DAC or the delayed DAC?


(from iPhone)

If you have contacts / colleagues who are happy to become Nominet members with DAC access, I don't know how Nominet could police this at all. You'd just host scripts on different servers with different IPs and geo. To Nominet, it would ust look like multiple catchers going after the same premium names.

 

[Retired_Member42]

There have been multiple ways discovered over the years to do exactly this, so dismissing it as impossible is a mistake.

It's much easier to cry bug/foul play than it is to put the time in to find out what's happening for yourselves, but it's not going to get you anywhere 'cos there is no bug or foul play going on as far as I can see.

Grant

I'm not crying bug or foul play. This is me putting the time in to find out what's happening for my own gain. Nothing more.

 

[Retired_Member42]

If you have contacts / colleagues who are happy to become Nominet members with DAC access, I don't know how Nominet could police this at all. You'd just host scripts on different servers with different IPs and geo. To Nominet, it would ust look like multiple catchers going after the same premium names.

But in this case the drops still end up on the same tag. It wouldn't be hard for Nominet to see which tag sent the registration request and see which tag the domain ended up on.

 

[foz]

If you have contacts / colleagues who are happy to become Nominet members with DAC access, I don't know how Nominet could police this at all. You'd just host scripts on different servers with different IPs and geo. To Nominet, it would ust look like multiple catchers going after the same premium names.

Just get punters to sign up to DomainCatch_co_uk

From there its black box stuff to the participants.

 

[timter51]

But in this case the drops still end up on the same tag. It wouldn't be hard for Nominet to see which tag sent the registration request and see which tag the domain ended up on.

Send a registration request from all the scripts as per normal, just make sure your primary tag request goes in a millisecond before the others!

 

[Skinner]

You can't "collaborate" or pool multiple dacs, you can however use multiple dacs which belong to multiple other real people.

The people who run untagged.co.uk blatantly on their site request people "lease" them their dac.

I presume as long as each dac runs independently and trace back to a real person, then lease 10, little difference between you booking me for a day to catch a name, than booking my dac for a month ?

 

[Edwin]

You can't "collaborate" or pool multiple dacs, you can however use multiple dacs which belong to multiple other real people.

The people who run untagged.co.uk blatantly on their site request people "lease" them their dac.

I presume as long as each dac runs independently and trace back to a real person, then lease 10, little difference between you booking me for a day to catch a name, than booking my dac for a month ?

Does that mean you could (theoretically) legitimately lease 24 "real" DACs from 24 different genuinely arms-length third parties, and run each for exactly 1 hour a day, with zero overlap?

Under that scenario, there would then be no need for any of the individual DACs to "collude" in any programmatic way with any of the others since each would be running genuinely as if the others didn't exist post-setup - just for 1/24th of a day apiece.

 

[foz]

Does that mean you could (theoretically) legitimately lease 24 "real" DACs from 24 different genuinely arms-length third parties, and run each for exactly 1 hour a day, with zero overlap?

Under that scenario, there would then be no need for any of the individual DACs to "collude" in any programmatic way with any of the others since each would be running genuinely as if the others didn't exist post-setup - just for 1/24th of a day apiece.

I believe so.

 

[Skinner]

If they was your relatives and pet spaniel it would be collaborating, but if I lease foz, edwin and monkeys dac then I believe thats acceptable.

Its been a while since I looked at this but you define the dfference between me booking you to catch on 1 day vs 1 month ?

I have names booked nearly every day with DWL, so I have leased % of his quota, where is the line ?

 

[Retired_Member42]

I think Nominet know he's up to something and will use the influx of complaints about it to their advantage when it comes to pushing for registrars to get first crack at the drops Perhaps it's all just part of a bigger picture