One person catching a lot...

[Retired_Member42]

You've got 6.5k of domains reg'd Edwin, fancy sharing yours?

 

[Retired_Member42]

If someone had already considered it, and were actually doing it, it's unlikely they'd advertise it here through fear of others potentially making that large registrar a better offer.

No shit Sherlock. I think he was putting it out there as an idea as opposed to having people list who they're using

 

[Edwin]

You've got 6.5k of domains reg'd Edwin, fancy sharing yours?

We don't use the DAC. Oh, and we're down to 6,300-odd names. Time to update my sig

 

[Edwin]

No shit Sherlock. I think he was putting it out there as an idea as opposed to having people list who they're using

Spot on. I'm not (and have never been) fishing for drop catching ideas!

 

[Skinner]

Is drop catching really that time consuming for you? I spend about 10 minutes on a sunday night loading the weeks interests.

Yup, either your interest criteria is tiny, your droplists are tiny, you're missing out or i'm getting old and slow.

I have 4 sets of droplists covering well into the distant future beyond so thats aroud 70 data poits of lists per week, if you can do that properly in 10 mins maybe I should retire.

Takes me longer that 10 minutes load them, dedupe and sort them all.

 

[Retired_member41]

Which one of you guys has domain suspension timestamps for me?

Well that took long enough.

 

[Retired_Member42]

We don't use the DAC. Oh, and we're down to 6,300-odd names. Time to update my sig

If you monitor the suspension times on your 6,000 domains before you drop them, that will give me all the data I need for my test

 

[Skinner]

I think the formula is 200x highest monthly reg is last 12 + 5 x total mames on tag,or other way.around.

 

[Retired_Member42]

Yup, either your interest criteria is tiny, your droplists are tiny, you're missing out or i'm getting old and slow.

I have 4 sets of droplists covering well into the distant future beyond so thats aroud 70 data poits of lists per week, if you can do that properly in 10 mins maybe I should retire.

Takes me longer that 10 minutes load them, dedupe and sort them all.

Yeah, my criteria is tiny. I've got my own db of dictionary words, keywords, names, shorts which is what I primarily use. I've yet to find anything I want in a drop list which wasn't already in my own list.

Perhaps we should just stop wasting time reviewing lists and ask Denys what he's going for. I'm sure he'll tell us knowing he's going to out catch us anyway

 

[AssetDomains]

We don't use the DAC.

Just being nosey so tell me to mind my own business have you never used it or did you Just stop when you stopped booking with others.

 

[Edwin]

I think the point was you lease out your quota of delayed DAC to someone else given your apparent 6500 registered domain names might allow for a decent quota limit (I've forgotten the formula).

I know what the point was. My point was we're not going to use the DAC, and that includes leasing it out.

Here's the formula:

5 x Number of domains on your tag, plus 200 x Your tag's highest monthly registration figure in the past 12 months(to a maximum of 3,000,000)

In our case, that would work out to about 40,000 daily queries.

Another random thought (you can add your own question mark or not after it, Invisible, it's your choice):

I wonder if, looking at that formula, one way to significantly boost catching prowess would be to register a few thousand "disposable" domains during a single monthly period (as defined by Nominet) and benefit from the 200 x highest monthly registration figure part of the formula for the following 12 months.

For example, if you registered 3,000 domains for 1 year that's about £10K's worth - and that would give you 600,000 delayed DAC queries a day from that portion of the formula, plus another 15,000 if you assume the number of domains on the tag is 3,000.

The other relevant delayed DAC quota, for the "maximum queries over 60s" is defined as:

1000 or 3 x 24 Hour Quota / 1440 if the 24 Hour Quota is greater than 432,000 (recalculated every 5 seconds)

From my 3,000 domain example above, that would work out as (3 * 615,000)/1,440 or 1,281 queries per 60s.

Of course, the £10K would be "sunk" costs i.e. lost, unless it was somehow recouped via sales or similar. Also, the 3,000 names would need to be dropped and a different 3,000 registered 12 months later in order to get a boost to the delayed DAC quota again, since the formula is based mainly on registrations and relatively little on renewals.

Worth noting that the absolute maximum 60s delayed DAC quota is 6,250 queries per 60s (if you punch in the 3,000,000 daily query cap that's the number that drops out of the second formula) so if you registered approx. 15,000 "disposable" domains in one month, you'd then give yourself 6.25x as many chances as somebody who's only got 1,000 queries per 60s to play with - but it would have cost you a shade over £50k to get that edge.

 

[Edwin]

Just being nosey so tell me to mind my own business have you never used it or did you Just stop when you stopped booking with others.

I can't remember ever using it. At one point we were working with something like 13 or 14 drop catchers, which seemed like plenty.

 

[Retired_Member42]

I'd rather save the £10k and get my gran to get a tag for £400

I know what the point was. My point was we're not going to use the DAC, and that includes leasing it out.

Here's the formula:



In our case, that would work out to about 40,000 daily queries.

Another random thought (you can add your own question mark or not after it, it's your choice):

I wonder if, looking at that formula, one way to significantly boost catching prowess would be to register a few thousand "disposable" domains during a single monthly period (as defined by Nominet) and benefit from the 200 x highest monthly registration figure part of the formula.

For example, if you registered 3,000 domains for 1 year that's about £10K's worth - and that would give you 600,000 delayed DAC queries a day from that portion of the formula, plus another 15,000 if you assume the number of domains on the tag is 3,000.

The other relevant delayed DAC quota, for the "maximum queries over 60s" is defined as:



From my 3,000 domain example above, that would work out as (3 * 615,000)/1,440 or 1,281 queries per 60s.

Of course, the £10K would be "sunk" costs i.e. lost, unless it was somehow recouped via sales or similar. Also, the 3,000 names would need to be dropped and a different 3,000 registered 12 months later in order to get a boost to the delayed DAC quota again, since the formula is based mainly on registrations and relatively little on renewals.

 

[foz]

The delayed DAC does have a 200ms delayed response built in, however if Nominet is scattering available to register responses between the two DACs you would only be up against TAGs polling the delayed DAC. My guess is why DomainMonster had the ability to pick up LLLs.

 

[PoshTiger]

Bug fix?

http://registrars.nominet.org.uk/news/system-announcements/november-2013-release

 

[topcat]

Bug fix?

http://registrars.nominet.org.uk/news/system-announcements/november-2013-release

Nope, it's unrelated to DAC.

 

[PoshTiger]

If it exists, the bug might not be with the DAC but with EPP.

 

[DaveP]

If it exists, the bug might not be with the DAC but with EPP.

Yes as the registration system is unavailable so you could be right.

 

[Edwin]

The registration system was also unavailable in the August and September maintenance windows. This looks like just Nominet's standard monthly bug sweep.

 

[AssetDomains]

Have Nominet closed the hole or was something more valuable dropping today I've missed.