Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[Stephen]

Point taken

.....This is why no legitimately valuable domains are going to make it through the 6 month period without being registered - outside of someone being dead or in a coma and not contactable.

Point taken but I often find owner as UK registrant with opt out and no live site, so cannot contact them.

legitimately valuable domains? - to a business owner of .co.uk the .uk will be valuable but not by other measures such as the "generic word search" or be big enough to be listed by "alexa traffic" but they are still important to that owner.

 

[GreyWing]

This is why no legitimately valuable domains are going to make it through the 6 month period without being registered - outside of someone being dead or in a coma and not contactable.

Leaflets.co.uk dropped with hundreds of domainers trying to contact them pre-drop, hgv.co.uk dropped with plenty trying to talk to them. These are just two that I have, I guess you could multiply this story a couple of hundred times by people on here having failed to contact owners pre-drop.

Domainers dream this time, hundreds of thousands of names ready to be snapped up and with a future buyer already in the wings. Domainers dream equals Google taking a dim view of this platform and ultimately damaging legitimate owners who get on it.

 

[Stephen]

New Idea for Awareness of .uk?

Nominet to resolve all registered uk strings with .uk added
e.g. allukdomains.uk would resolve to a web page with what is all this about!

and have links to important information such as the .UK Version 2.0 Nominet consultation.

Maybe list all relevant tld registrations and what order they qualify for the rights to that particular .uk domain, under the current proposed release mechanism.

This could also be used, if .uk is launched to create a massive awareness campaign as you would see in an instant you have not registered it and it tells you what to do, to obtain it?

 

[foz]

Domainers dream this time, hundreds of thousands of names ready to be snapped up and with a future buyer already in the wings. Domainers dream equals Google taking a dim view of this platform and ultimately damaging legitimate owners who get on it.

Their be may be a downside to all this domainer happiness. First years they will not be that sough after by the public. If a lot are warehoused .uk may never get hold. It could turn into one big lemon.

 

[Stephen]

would you be told?

so the way I read it a business/individual may spend 6 months sweating it out - constantly looking to see if an older .me.uk or .org.uk has taken the prime domain. I doubt that Mrs Cowley and the rest of nominet's executive team would want to suffer a similar situation of uncertainty in their own lives.

Agree, I wonder if Nominet have considered how the admin would work,
after you pre-register an interest.

In that if the oldest registrant came forward and registered it would you be told?

Or if another older (but not oldest) domain registrant registered wold you be told and which one it is?

 

[Retired_Member38]

legitimately valuable domains? - to a business owner of .co.uk the .uk will be valuable but not by other measures such as the "generic word search" or be big enough to be listed by "alexa traffic" but they are still important to that owner.

I'm just really looking at it from a generics point of view - ones that would have potentially hundreds of different users.

If you went and bought something like (totally random example here) - http://komanchester.co.uk/ in the UK variant, there would only realistically ever be one buyer - the owner of the Manchester kebab shop on the .co.uk.

And I would assume if you registered domains like this in any real volume, you would almost certainly lose them in a DRS, with the other registrations you made being used against you as evidence of bad faith?

 

[murph]

Probably mentioned many times before, but how many websites will actually want to move domain. It's hassle, external links all being to the old extension? Coupled with the vast number of names that'll be parked, it does make me wonder if .uk will take off from a public awareness perspective.

 

[foz]

And I would assume if you registered domains like this in any real volume, you would almost certainly lose them in a DRS, with the other registrations you made being used against you as evidence of bad faith?

They would, but at £750 a throw?

 

[Retired_Member38]

They would, but at £750 a throw?

Or £0 - £100 because the seller knows a lost DRS on his record is going to look horrendous when it comes to further disputes later (which is almost inevitable if he's done this in bulk). He would be better selling or giving away rather than losing at a DRS surely.

Maybe its just me, but if the seller in those circumstances asked me for £200 I'd just pay £750 on principal and DRS it.

 

[foz]

Or £0 - £100 because the seller knows a lost DRS on his record is going to look horrendous when it comes to further disputes later (which is almost inevitable if he's done this in bulk). He would be better selling or giving away rather than losing at a DRS surely.

Maybe its just me, but if the seller in those circumstances asked me for £200 I'd just pay £750 on principal and DRS it.

Some buggers don't care about the consequences.

Time isn't "free" either.

 

[Jump]

1. I think the new .uk proposal is very good. The power of it is its simplicity.

2. With respect to names that are "Registered on: before Aug-1996", I understand that, if you are a TAG older or registrar, conducting lookups enable you to determine the actual reg dates of these names. Does anyone know a tool that enables non-tag holders to do this please? Emailing Nominet would of course be one solution but perhaps there is another solution.

 

[grantw]

2. With respect to names that are "Registered on: before Aug-1996", I understand that, if you are a TAG older or registrar, conducting lookups enable you to determine the actual reg dates of these names. Does anyone know a tool that enables non-tag holders to do this please? Emailing Nominet would of course be one solution but perhaps there is another solution.

The dates are not correct, Nominet don't know the correct dates.

Grant

 

[viceroy]

Agree, I wonder if Nominet have considered how the admin would work,
after you pre-register an interest.

In that if the oldest registrant came forward and registered it would you be told?

Or if another older (but not oldest) domain registrant registered wold you be told and which one it is?

The way I interpreted it is that for the first 6 months, only the oldest current registrant has got dibs and after that it'll be offered for general release, NOT to the second oldest registrant and so on... So if it hasn't been registered at the end of the 6 months then anyone can register it...
Would the release be eligible for dropcatching?

 

[GreyWing]

Would the release be eligible for dropcatching?

They don't say, my bet is auctions

 

[viceroy]

If it is how I've interpreted it, I think there are going to be a lot more people affected, especially if they thought they were initially 'second' in line - there is no line! Just a jolly good free-for-all

 

[Jump]

The dates are not correct, Nominet don't know the correct dates.

Grant

http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/453974-post984.html

So then what will happen when two these names are competing I wonder?

 

[Retired_Member38]

If it is how I've interpreted it, I think there are going to be a lot more people affected, especially if they thought they were initially 'second' in line - there is no line! Just a jolly good free-for-all

Your interpretation of it is wrong. All of the current extension domain owners can register. If more than one do so, it goes to the oldest. Its only going to go to someone else is none of the other domain owners wanted it.... so the chance of anything of any real value making it through this 6 month period is near to non existent.

 

[GreyWing]

so the chance of anything of any real value making it through this 6 month period is near to non existent.

Mate that just isn't true,. at the moment Nominet turns their website off for 60 days and high valued names still drop. Nominet isn't going to be suspending any of the websites this time. The vast majority will not get through, but valued names will get through, to me there is no doubt about it, it's just a mathematical certainty.

 

[grantw]

http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/453974-post984.html

So then what will happen when two these names are competing I wonder?

I guess it depends on the feedback to this question. I'm guessing auctions:

3.b Are there any categories of domain names already currently registered which should be
released differently, e.g. domains registered on the same day, pre-Nominet domains (where the
first registration date may not be identified with certainty) and domains released in the 2011
short domains project?

Grant

 

[viceroy]

Your interpretation of it is wrong. All of the current extension domain owners can register. If more than one do so, it goes to the oldest. Its only going to go to someone else is none of the other domain owners wanted it.... so the chance of anything of any real value making it through this 6 month period is near to non existent.

I need to read over it slowly and carefully again, I really hope it's not how I originally thought it!