Nominet announces programme for evolving the .uk domain name space

[Edwin]

Am I missing something - this proposal is not set in stone yet?

Investors have to be prepared to take risks for really big returns. I presume some people will weigh the "expected return" vs the cost of taking a punt on some likely names. In other words, they may be willing to dump a few grand (or more) purely speculatively, figuring that the massive payoff IF it goes ahead is worth the risk involved*.

*Not something I will be doing personally, nor am I advocating it (just to be clear). Talking in the abstract...

 

[Bailey]

Agree with Edwin, at worse your laying odds at about 3 to 1. IF it goes ahead, you can imagine Nominet implementing a 'Registration Date' priority . Going with 'Registration Update' priority may be just a step to far.

Yeah - me to, commenting as a bystander

 

[Retired_Member38]

I'm expecting it to go ahead this time. If the right predated domain was for sale at the right price, I would have absolutely no problem gambling on buying purely to hopefully get at the .uk version.

 

[WealdDomains]

To understand the current positioning of the various .uk SLDs, it's probably worth having a read of the entire Nominet rules document at http://www.nominet.org.uk/uk-domain-names/registering-uk-domain/choosing-domain-name/rules and, in particular, rule 4.4 and the contrast between rules 7/8 and rule 9.

 

[julian]

Slightly off topic, just looking at some dates on ones domains as you do when this stuff happens..

Registered on: before Aug-1996

anyone beat that?

(before some of you lot born methinks)

 

[Skinner]

If you run the thru the Dac Julian you get an actual date just whois doesnt provide one.

 

[Edwin]

To understand the current positioning of the various .uk SLDs, it's probably worth having a read of the entire Nominet rules document at http://www.nominet.org.uk/uk-domain-names/registering-uk-domain/choosing-domain-name/rules and, in particular, rule 4.4 and the contrast between rules 7/8 and rule 9.

As I wrote in my counter proposal: "The cutoff date for .me.uk domain names should be 25 October 2004, since the extension has been reserved exclusively for natural persons since that date."

In other words, .co.uk and .org.uk would be on equal footing (for determining the oldest registration) but only .me.uk prior to 25 October 2004 would be eligible for the "which domain is oldest?" comparison. This would be 100% in keeping with Nominet's rules.

 

[grantw]

Slightly off topic, just looking at some dates on ones domains as you do when this stuff happens..

Registered on: before Aug-1996

anyone beat that?

(before some of you lot born methinks)

You can use the DAC to get the real date. Although the 'real' date is probably incorrect which leads to further questions regarding Nominets new release idea:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/05/nominet_first_domain_name/

http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/domain-research/73385-oldest-uk-domains.html

Grant

 

[Edwin]

Slightly off topic, just looking at some dates on ones domains as you do when this stuff happens..

Registered on: before Aug-1996

anyone beat that?

(before some of you lot born methinks)

All prenoms have the same "date" in the Whois. I think our oldest real date is sometime in 1994...

 

[crazihos]

As I wrote in my counter proposal: "The cutoff date for .me.uk domain names should be 25 October 2004, since the extension has been reserved exclusively for natural persons since that date."

In other words, .co.uk and .org.uk would be on equal footing (for determining the oldest registration) but only .me.uk prior to 25 October 2004 would be eligible for the "which domain is oldest?" comparison. This would be 100% in keeping with Nominet's rules.

Does this mean under nominets new proposal only .me.uk names reged before Oct 2004 would be given the option of taking the .uk?

 

[retired_member29]

I was under the impression that .uk instead of .co.uk in the long run would increase the value of uk domains. Do any of the other major economy's actually have a .co included in there extension?. If not it would seem perfectly logical to follow suit, shorter domains from my limited experience is better and more valuable. The transition just needs to be as fair as possible and alot more work needs to be done to bring forward fairer proposals.

 

[monaghan]

I was under the impression that .uk instead of .co.uk in the long run would increase the value of uk domains. Do any of the other major economy's actually have a .co included in there extension?.

Going back to my text books from my Sun systems administrator training and Sun being one of the leading players as far as the Internet was concerned in the late 1980's they actually defined .com as international commercial and .co.country or .com.country for geographical commercial, when I got my pre-nominet .co.uk the company that provided the registration also followed that process. It was only really the ".com boom" as defined by the media that seems to have encouraged violation of these original registration guidelines and this bad practise seems to have continued ever since. Some of the later entrants have gone with just name.country but they don't have the historical conventions to deal with.

 

[Edwin]

Almost. Brazil has .com.br and many other .{sld}.br extensions. Brazil hasn't opened up its second level to registrations so one cannot register {example}.br.

Other countries not using the second level:
Australia
New Zealand (under discussion)
Thailand
Indonesia
Israel
South Africa
and about 50 more.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains (Scroll down to the table headed "Country code top-level domains" and then sort by the rightmost "SLD" column. The "no" entries don't issue domains at the 2nd level)

 

[websaway]

obvious observation.

all existing trademarks would pre-date any identicle trademarked .uk domain.
Unlike the duplicate co.uk where registration may currently pre-date a trademark.

 

[addz123]

Mexico launched .mx in 2009 yet my friend there tells me .com.mx is still by far the most popular domain extension, especially among big brands. He also says there's little confusion between .mx and .com.mx as people really only care about .com.mx.

e.g Coke - http://www.coca-cola.com.mx/es/index.html, Google - http://www.google.com.mx/

 

[Murray]

With the current proposal of .uk, giving it to the oldest registrant of co org or me, how exactly are nominet planning on informing the owner of the aforementioned?

 

[grantw]

With the current proposal of .uk, giving it to the oldest registrant of co org or me, how exactly are nominet planning on informing the owner of the aforementioned?

In theory I guess they can't do it directly, for the reasons they gave to why they didn't inform existing registrants of the original consultation. I'm sure they'll find a workaround though!

Grant

 

[Murray]

In theory I guess they can't do it directly, for the reasons they gave to why they didn't inform existing registrants of the original consultation. I'm sure they'll find a workaround though!

Grant

Will they email the co, org & me owners saying "claim the .uk and if you're the owner of the oldest regged one out of the three you get it..

Because then it sounds like a kind of a threat because you have to get the .uk otherwise one of the other two will.

 

[grantw]

Will they email the co, org & me owners saying "claim the .uk and if you're the owner of the oldest regged one out of the three you get it..

Because then it sounds like a kind of a threat because you have to get the .uk otherwise one of the other two will.

I can't remember the exact wording but they said that for legal reasons they were not allowed to email existing registrants regarding the original consultation because .uk is a new/seperate product and it would be classed as spam. Something along those lines.

So in theory they will have to do it with press releases etc. There probably will be no need though, if it goes ahead I'm sure registrars will be emailing all their customers and waiting for the cash to roll in.

Grant

 

[Skinner]

Does anyone know when they (nom) decided to add -cc postfixed to ISP Tags ?

I know people who got their tags 18+ months ago and didn't have to get the prefix but now it seems everyone not classed as "UK" seems to have one.

I'm just wondering if its related to direct.uk i.e. part of their "UK Address security" or identifying non-uk business, I don't know, just the fact they added this and then pushing the uk address, just made me think maybe if they started doing this say 12 months ago and they are connected, it shows when the intent for .uk started.

Maybe nothing but it occurred in a convo last night.