Nominet announces new policy consultation for expiring .UK domains

[mcrick]

No, I'm complaining because I've stuck to the rules and the least I expected Nominet to do was to make sure everyone else did.

I imagine they tried when things were reported but if people were able to pull the wool over their eyes, maybe the rules were daft in the first place and it’s about time they were consulted on. They were produced nearly fifteen years ago at which time EPP and the DAC didn’t exist. Neither did hosted chasing services. They’ve largely remained unchanged since then.

 

[Derek]

I'd trust Denys and Rob to have enough knowledge and data to be able to prove who is doing what or at least have a good suspicion to look into further

I would say Rob and Denis definitely have enough knowledge to comment on cheating.

Why would they want to though? They both run drop catching platforms. They are out of of business overnight if Nominet swap to public auctions.

 

[mcrick]

I would say Rob and Denis definitely have enough knowledge to comment on cheating.

Why would they want to though? They both run drop catching platforms. They are out of of business overnight if Nominet swap to public auctions.

If things swap to economically controlled access it might be the case that they have the ability to catch most of the domain names themselves and don’t require customers with their own tags to increase the likelihood of any caught domain name ending up on their service for which they may currently receive compensation.

 

[Derek]

No, I'm complaining because I've stuck to the rules and the least I expected Nominet to do was to make sure everyone else did.

Do you have some ideas on how Nominet could realistically force everyone else to be as honest as you?

If its not possible then its probably time to change the rules to create an even playing field?

 

[mcrick]

You know full well how to spell Denys name tut tut

I'd trust Denys and Rob to have enough knowledge and data to be able to prove who is doing what or at least have a good suspicion to look into further

I don't need to know how to make a website to be able to say someone else does, for example

You don’t but in the real world of industry I think you’d be quietly laughed at for making such a statement to others based on your “trust” alone.

 

[Murray]

You don’t but in the real world of industry I think you’d be quietly laughed at for making such a statement to others.

Well I will make sure if I'm ever involved in the real world of industry that my ego is robust

 

[Nigel]

Can we start a new thread on this with established acorn members of at least a year's standing only. These two are giving me a headache

 

[Derek]

Can we start a new thread on this with established acorn members of at least a year's standing only. These two are giving me a headache

Please accept my sincere apologies for creating an account to comment on something that might impact my ability to pay my mortgage.

 

[mcrick]

Well I will make sure if I'm ever involved in the real world of industry that my ego is robust

Maybe just come out with statements that you can back up with facts other than a hunch. Do you think everyone who’s ever built the in-house systems Nominet have are clueless and don’t know how they function but two people you admire online do? Some often think they’re experts on things but strangely they don’t have jobs as experts helping those that are supposedly clueless.

As has been asked already in this thread, how do you detect someone who’s overseeing multiple memberships/tags created in the names of real people who have enough ability to answer an unannounced telephone call from Nominet to ask them about their relationship with the company? If they were smart they’d use a dedicated number and push the call to voicemail so they could at least be prepared when Nominet phoned again. Otherwise, short of Nominet doorstepping them, I am at pains to think how you believe anyone could deduce cheating when domain names are not changing between tags, income from sales isn’t being funnelled to one person immediately and systems are kept separate. Do tell, or go ask Denys or Rob who you say you trust to tell you and then come back here and tell everyone else, since it’ll all be irrelevant in the near future anyway.

 

[Nigel]

Please accept my sincere apologies for creating an account to comment on something that might impact my ability to pay my mortgage.

thanks for the disagree Derek - that was kind of you.

 

[Murray]

Do tell, or go ask Denys or Rob who you say you trust to tell you and then come back here and tell everyone else, since it’ll all be irrelevant in the near future anyway.

Didn't Denys make a blog post about a report he made?

 

[Derek]

Didn't Denys make a blog post about a report he made?

Yes, several http://blog.domainlore.uk. He accuses Rob in there too.

Theres a lot of circumstantial evidence and it certainly looks like some people are guilty but without that smoking gun.

I would say there's enough evidence of people probably cheating, to revamp the system.

 

[Derek]

You are wrong, £200k is small change. https://media.nominet.uk/wp-content...5.1335314671.1594814629-1622083673.1594814629

 

[Hay]

@Derek - you mean Andrew Bennet

 

[Derek]

@Derek - you mean Andrew Bennet

I'm not sure what you mean. Is he a cheater too, I don't recognise the name.

 

[Hay]

@Derek Course you dont, Only a coward hides behind the smoke!


Anyway... as for me having success... your damn right i did and like i said to nominet, While they let people like UKBO accumulate 40+ tags its leaves others no option but to take extreme measures.

However, given everyone assumed i was cheating as Rob advertised i told nominet exactly what i was doing and exactly what many others are doing... it was some shitty flaw's that has since been patched as i gave them step by step instructions on how to replicate and fix the flaw's... i also knew this would fix it for me however i knew some others would have also noticed it and thus also be patched for them....

In doing so i knew it would leave 1 main player... Rob and all his tags and no flaws would be available to compete (For myself and for many others using them) and therefore everyone would get pissed off with constantly loosing to rob.. which is exactly what is happening now!

Ive also passed on many logs and conversations to nominet between me and some of Robs members who have been leaking info and i believe nominet have now realized just how big the problem really is and therefore have took immediate intervention which is a direct result of UKBO... and thats just a fact.

 

[Derek]

Anyway... as for me having success... your damn right i did and like i said to nominet, While they let people like UKBO accumulate 40+ tags its leaves others no option but to take extreme measures.

I did say the same a couple of pages ago. One person cheats, then others need to cheat too or they go hungry. The entire system we have currently is bust. But you, Rob, Kalin etc are all directly responsible for the situation we’re in right now of it all going away. I have no idea how much either of you have made, maybe it was worth it.

 

[Lovekraft]

The idea of Nominet auctions to improve uptake of expired domains is a bit optimistic, they’re just potentially moving a large section of the aftermarket to take a piece of the pie - the uptake of domains and “vibrancy” of the namespace won’t change a great deal in my opinion - those with the deepest pockets will still be able to acquire names via auction as they do now - the only difference will be Nominet making extra £, rather than a whole host of small registrars who have built up businesses on the current ecosystem over the past couple of decades.

True, these small registrars are the ones who have created any kind of market place and invested in it, creating value in the .uk domain space. Now Nominet fancy having that all to themselves putting hundreds of those membership paying registrars that created this market out of business. They grab our money, raise prices, introduce an extension nobody wanted, grab more of our money and then decide to sweep it all from under our feet because they couldn't be arsed to police their own systems.

They easily could have nipped this in the bud with minimal effort but they chose to let this happen in their own time because quite frankly it was hugely profitable for them.

 

[Hay]

Is this really how it went down though, Benjamin? I had an email conversation with Rob a few weeks ago that tells me different.

LOL i couldnt give two shits what you or Rob thinks... lets be honest... remember when you was spewing out information about Rob when he kicked you off ukbackorder LOL... You have no clue what your talking about and have no idea about coding - Lets see how usefull 40+ tags are in the upcoming weeks ;-)

 

[PoshTiger]

@Derek Course you dont, Only a coward hides behind the smoke!


Anyway... as for me having success... your damn right i did and like i said to nominet, While they let people like UKBO accumulate 40+ tags its leaves others no option but to take extreme measures.

However, given everyone assumed i was cheating as Rob advertised i told nominet exactly what i was doing and exactly what many others are doing... it was some shitty flaw's that has since been patched as i gave them step by step instructions on how to replicate and fix the flaw's... i also knew this would fix it for me however i knew some others would have also noticed it and thus also be patched for them....

In doing so i knew it would leave 1 main player... Rob and all his tags and no flaws would be available to compete (For myself and for many others using them) and therefore everyone would get pissed off with constantly loosing to rob.. which is exactly what is happening now!

Ive also passed on many logs and conversations to nominet between me and some of Robs members who have been leaking info and i believe nominet have now realized just how big the problem really is and therefore have took immediate intervention which is a direct result of UKBO... and thats just a fact.

Honestly, I've never heard so much drivel..

You're soooo smart, it only took you three years to work out what me, Darren and Denys got ages ago - you probably didn't even work it out for yourself and were told by someone else anyway.

You were successful because you had at least 5 tags, were close to Nominet and you were aggregating the responses along with the flaw with bursting EPPs later in the day like everyone else.

I've no idea why you think you're smarter than everyone else - you're just not as important as you think you are..

'Ive also passed on many logs and conversations to nominet between me and some of Robs members who have been leaking info and i believe nominet have now realized just how big the problem really is and therefore have took immediate intervention'

Really? This whole process is because you gave Nominet some info - get real.. you're totally insignificant..