'Domain Lord' - Comments?

[retired_member16]

I think its best avoided to be honest.

I looked to sign up yesterday after sniffing around hotspot myself, as soon as they asked me for my mobile number I couldn't be bothered.

I will just see if the new owner wants to flip it after the auction.

 

[foz]

Removed...

 

[retired_member9]

My understanding was, that shill bidding is no longer allowed at DomainLore?

So why am I outbid by utterfly in the hotspot_co_uk auction?

Because I want this domain as much as you do. Where's "shill"?

 

[foz]

Because I want this domain as much as you do. Where's "shill"?

50/50 partner auction. So you get a 50% windfall (if you pull out) or a 50% discount (if you win).

 

[retired_member9]

So what? Would you rather see me as a 'BuyerX' for a "peace of mind"? If I wanted to just "top up the price"?..

Pool.com, SnapNames..etc..etc all operate on the same grounds, but you never know who's bidding there together with you.

I prefer to keep my matters straight and bid under my nickname, I am sorry this makes you unhappy. Maybe it would be really better to hide it, as many people, likely judging by their own deeds and morals, don't believe in honest trading anymore and would use any possibility to troll, accuse and spill dirt.

You - yourself, can post something for sale on DomainLore and invite your friend to shill bid on your domain. How the other members will be protected??
This happens on Sedo, on eBay and everywhere.

In the end, if this bothers you so much, you don't have to participate. Easy as that.

 

[foz]

My statement based on 50/50, is no different from your stance that a seller can not take part in the auction. It's a conflict of interest on both sides.

If that's what you think of your clients, I will not take part.

 

[GreyWing]

I looked to sign up yesterday after sniffing around hotspot myself, as soon as they asked me for my mobile number I couldn't be bothered.

But mate people can't have it both ways like those that complain when buyers dissapear on Sedo because they didn't verify their bidders.

I have sold a few on Domainlore and every buyer has contacted me in a matter of minutes to complete the deal. So I know that everyone (or at least high percentage) bidding on my name is genuine.

Might be another hurdle (small at that) for a buyer but for sellers it is what we have been asking for from sedo.

Foz, if that was Denys aim then I'm pretty sure he would be able to just change his name to "buyer x".

I would rather know it was him who was bidding, like he said you would have no idea on eBay or sedo etc.

Least you have an informed choice whether you want to continue bidding or not.

Cheers
Graeme

 

[foz]

I've asked to have my account closed/removed.

Just because other's do it, it doesn't make it right or legal.

 

[Rob_F]

So what? Would you rather see me as a 'BuyerX' for a "peace of mind"? If I wanted to just "top up the price"?..

No, I'd rather not see you at all, either bidding yourself or bidding using a guise.

I participated in the coins.co.uk auction a while ago, dropped out £3800 if I remember correctly. I certainly won't be participating in future auctions if you consider bidding yourself on your own auctions acceptable.

- Rob

 

[GreyWing]

I've asked to have my account closed/removed.

Just because other's do it, it doesn't make it right or legal.

I really think you are missing the point about shill bidding. Shill bidding is to raise the price in something so you can benefit from that price being raised whilst having no interest in owning the item afterwards.

Denys wants the item and has no interest in raising the price. I'm sure he would rather get that name for £30 at which it started.

But like you said you have closed your account now and that should be an end to it.

 

[retired_member9]

No, I'd rather not see you at all, either bidding yourself or bidding using a guise.

I participated in the coins.co.uk auction a while ago, dropped out £3800 if I remember correctly. I certainly won't be participating in future auctions if you consider bidding yourself on your own auctions acceptable.

- Rob

It seems you totaly misunderstand what's going on. I never bid on my own auctions and none of the bidders could.

 

[retired_member9]

If that's what you think of your clients, I will not take part.

No problem. Your account can be removed as soon as the auction where you participate comes to an end.

By the way, you shouldn't think you are *my* client and that I must smile to you and be restricted from expressing my opinion just to preserve your "custom".

DomainLore is a free and open auctions platform where sellers and buyers deal with each other. I develop, maintain and moderate it. As much as, for instance, Admin of this forum does it here. You wouldn't call yourself his client, would you?

As for DomainCatch discount I might get on some auctions: that's what eBay does by providing regular discount coupons to customers who pay with Paypal or achieve through other means i.e. a volume of transactions. There is no foul play on DomainLore in such cases: a good domain will reach it's price whether I'd also want to buy it or not. It is my conflict of choice, but not your conflict of interest.

 

[Rob_F]

It seems you totaly misunderstand what's going on. I never bid on my own auctions and none of the bidders could.

I don't think so. I mean "Your own" as in you own the auction house, as in whatever you bid you don't pay that price but get a massive 50% discount. That's definitely a conflict of interest in my books.

- Rob

 

[retired_member16]

But mate people can't have it both ways like those that complain when buyers dissapear on Sedo because they didn't verify their bidders.

You are of course correct Graeme.

Perhaps my heart wasnt really in to winning hotspots and I just couldn't be arsed. Thats more like it.

However I dont feel comfy bidding against someone that will win if I outbid him or not.

 

[retired_member9]

I don't think so. I mean "Your own" as in you own the auction house, as in whatever you bid you don't pay that price but get a massive 50% discount.

Yes, it will happen for some auctions. And you can make an educated choice if you like participating in such auctions. You know every rule and what happens in front of you is open and straight. (Some favour closed identity auctions as being unaware of things beyond their sight, makes people feel happier and secure - can't help in such cases).
Here, if I overbid you - you don't have anything to lose (In fact I'd prefer you not to bid at all). But if you want to go higher, you can as well overbid me - 50% is a discount but it's not a barrier for many to join in and acquire domains at wholesale prices.

And hey! - you can also get a discount. Just provide some service to the seller and ask him to discount your purchase! That's how I do it ;-)

 

[retired_member9]

However I dont feel comfy bidding against someone that will win if I outbid him or not.

Then you should stay away from SEDO and the likes... Sounds horrible - but they make a profit on you! And they profit even more if you bid higher and higher.

 

[aZooZa]

Denys, despite previous posts, I must admit that I becoming a little confused as to the business model. Could you let everyone know here exactly what it is that you are doing? I only ask this so I can understand it more fully. I am registered with you under my proper forum name here and have offered a name up for sale before, although it didn't sell. I'm sure I've bid on a couple also.

Are you providing catching services with your script on the basis that you get a revenue share? Is that it? And is that what you mean by "offering services to the seller..."?

Understand that I'm not trying to be difficult, I have just lost focus on what it is you're doing.

 

[retired_member16]

Then you should stay away from SEDO and the likes... Sounds horrible - but they make a profit on you! And they profit even more if you bid higher and higher.

The fact that you bid under your own username is to be commended I guess.

I will retract my earlier comments after reviewing.

 

[GreyWing]

Perhaps my heart wasnt really in to winning hotspots and I just couldn't be arsed. Thats more like it.

Haha mate if it wasn't for Denys system and DB saying good catch you could have got that off me for £30, I thought it was a crap name until people told me what it was.

 

[retired_member9]

Denys, despite previous posts, I must admit that I becoming a little confused as to the business model. Could you let everyone know here exactly what it is that you are doing? I only ask this so I can understand it more fully. I am registered with you under my proper forum name here and have offered a name up for sale before, although it didn't sell. I'm sure I've bid on a couple also.

You can be assured the activities on DomainLore you're refering to haven't involved you in any conspiracy ;-)

Are you providing catching services with your script on the basis that you get a revenue share? Is that it? And is that what you mean by "offering services to the seller..."?

strange you forgot, as you had also participated in the thread:
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/drop-...start-catching-great-co-uk-domains-now-5.html