'Domain Lord' - Comments?

[aZooZa]

I've asked for a simple explanation of how it all currently works, but haven't had one. I also don't see why DomainCatch isn't being mentioned at DomainLore.

However, let me propose this as food for thought:

a) If you can't make a bloody good profit out of this business in one year as well as recouping your Nominet charges (DAC/membership/registrations) then you're doing something wrong.

b) It's more expensive for our clients because they are paying £300 per month for hosting, whereas with your model, they're not.

On that basis, why don't you offer a new service whereby you will take absolutely anyone under your wing, and pay ALL their Nominet expenses as long as they share their revenue with you. That way you could have control over a gazillion tags and it wouldn't cost your 'clients' a brass farthing.

Or have I missed something?

 

[retired_member9]

Or have I missed something?

You had. DomainCatch is open to those who already had TAGs/DACs at the time it was introduced. I do not motivate anyone to keep their Nominet membership or catch domain names with my system.

You are, in fact, much better positioned to bring in abuse, because you charge £300 per month to use your system and actively looking for anyone willing to pay. You could introduce as many new members as possible to the game of drop catching. Anyone who decides to obtain an extra TAG willing to cheat might be considering paying for such system to better hide their tracks.

PS: If you'd like to continue discussing Domain catching systems (or DomainCatch in particular), I suggest to move the discussion to the relevant thread.

 

[aZooZa]

You had. DomainCatch is open to those who already had TAGs/DACs at the time it was introduced. I do not motivate anyone to keep their Nominet membership or catch domain names with my system.

You are, in fact, much better positioned to bring in abuse, because you charge £300 per month to use your system and actively looking for anyone willing to pay. You could introduce as many new members as possible to the game of drop catching. Anyone who decides to obtain an extra TAG willing to cheat might be considering paying for such system to better hide their tracks.

PS: If you'd like to continue discussing Domain catching systems (or DomainCatch in particular), I suggest to move the discussion to the relevant thread.

So that's a fact then is it? You will never take on TAGs that were registered after 4/4/09? Okay. If that's the case, that's fine.

No, I'm not "better positioned" than you at all. Given your ability to take on any existing (and future) TAG and apply your system to it, your market is still vast and the cost of entry to it could be zero.

This discussion about catching is relevant to this thread. I know you'd like to keep them separate, because of the alignment of Dcatch with Dlore.

 

[essexboy]

Denys you have nothing to gain posting in this thread so I wouldn't bother.

The fact you are competing with certain people will mean they will be peeved that your potentially taking food off their plate. They wouldn't complain if your script was crap and domainlore recieved no hits.
I wouldn't be surprised if nominet hadn't already received complaints about your services just like when deleting was shutdown.
I don't see a problem with it as no one is forced to use you. As long as you publish the rules then people have a choice. If he's breaking rules, as I said I'm sure some kind soul as already made nominet aware.

 

[retired_member9]

So that's a fact then is it? You will never take on TAGs that were registered after 4/4/09? Okay. If that's the case, that's fine.

No, I'm not "better positioned" than you at all. Given your ability to take on any existing (and future) TAG and apply your system to it, your market is still vast and the cost of entry to it could be zero.

You are inconsistent in what you say. In first paragraph you realize that DomainCatch is only open to existing TAGs as of 4/4/09 and then, instead of, perhaps, telling why you are not better positioned, you again refer to my ability to take on "future TAGs", even though it should have been understood by now this is not my intention.

As for market for existing TAGs, you are correct, for many of them my offering is better than paying £300 per month for your system. But that's what any competition brings - maybe you should start charge less to keep your customers ;-)

This discussion about catching is relevant to this thread. I know you'd like to keep them separate, because of the alignment of Dcatch with Dlore.

I like to keep things accurate and threads on their topic. Obviously, it's not a huge problem to discuss both of my services here, especially when you've managed to put DomainCatch thread off-rail anyway with personal fights there.

 

[aZooZa]

Denys you have nothing to gain posting in this thread so I wouldn't bother.

The fact you are competing with certain people will mean they will be peeved that your potentially taking food off their plate. They wouldn't complain if your script was crap and domainlore recieved no hits.
I wouldn't be surprised if nominet hadn't already received complaints about your services just like when deleting was shutdown.
I don't see a problem with it as no one is forced to use you. As long as you publish the rules then people have a choice. If he's breaking rules, as I said I'm sure some kind soul as already made nominet aware.

If you're referring to me then you're wrong. Denys has an excellent script and I have complimented on that in posts passim. I am a registered member at Dlore (unless Denys has deleted me today) and I have and will continue to use it. I'm not *accusing* Denys of anything. My clients haven't all flocked to him and I don't expect all of his to jump ship.

 

[retired_member9]

Denys you have nothing to gain posting in this thread so I wouldn't bother.

Essexboy, thanks, I know mate.. It's just that sometimes I still have hopes for explaining my point and appeal to people's sanity, when they, in fact, only want to eat one alive..

 

[aZooZa]

You are inconsistent in what you say. In first paragraph you realize that DomainCatch is only open to existing TAGs as of 4/4/09 and then, instead of, perhaps, telling why you are not better positioned, you again refer to my ability to take on "future TAGs", even though it should have been understood by now this is not my intention.

As for market for existing TAGs, you are correct, for many of them my offering is better than paying £300 per month for your system. But that's what any competition brings - maybe you should start charge less to keep your customers ;-)


I like to keep things accurate and threads on their topic. Obviously, it's not a huge problem to discuss both of my services here, especially when you've managed to put DomainCatch thread off-rail anyway with personal fights there.

Let's just agree that your business model should never be questioned and my system is crap. Now I have work to do.

 

[foz]

The fact you are competing with certain people will mean they will be peeved that your potentially taking food off their plate. They wouldn't complain if your script was crap and domainlore recieved no hits.

I was fine with buying domains at DomainLore for a market price. Just not against someone who gets a 50% rebate on DomainCatch domains. Denys also has inside information as to direct type-in's (name server records) which outsider's aren't privy to.

As for Buyer1 2 3 etc. DomainLore could have insisted on user's choosing a nickname before they bid, rather than the anonymous stance.

 

[foz]

I still have hopes for explaining my point and appeal to people's sanity, when they, in fact, only want to eat one alive..

What crap. I bid £390 for hotspot didn't I. I'm a customer with feedback, Sedo or any other outfit would get the same degree of grilling.

 

[GreyWing]

I was fine with buying domains at DomainLore for a market price. Just not against someone who gets a 50% rebate on DomainCatch domains. Denys also has inside information as to direct type-in's (name server records) which outsider's aren't privy to.

Let me just put an end to that issue right from the start with absolute proof.

I was bidding against Denys 3-4 weeks ago for donate.org.uk

My proxy bid was £2k and his system would have been aware of it. If Denys had been checking the system then he would have bidded it up to £1990

The fact that it went for only £1200 prooves that this particular concern is unfounded. I can honestly say Denys will not use his system in a way that is dishonest.

 

[foz]

I can honestly say Denys will not use his system in a way that is dishonest.

No, but it can be used to his advantage IF he participates in Domaincatch auctions. Which BTW should be indicated on the Domainlore site. Currently I view all listings as such.

 

[GreyWing]

No, but it can be used to his advantage IF he participates in Domaincatch auctions. Which BTW should be indicated on the Domainlore site. Currently I view all listings as such.

Anything can be used in a dishonest / advantaged way, my account on acorn could be used in a dishonest / advantaged way.

It's down to your faith in the individual and as in the example I gave out above, shows open minded people that he wouldn't do that.

 

[foz]

Anything can be used in a dishonest / advantaged way, my account on acorn could be used in a dishonest / advantaged way.

It's down to your faith in the individual and as in the example I gave out above, shows open minded people that he wouldn't do that.

Acorn how so? Do you not think vendor participation is an unethical business practice especially a 50% rebate situation? How is it any different to him preventing you from bidding on one of your Domaincatch domains?

Godday and Snapnames do not allow vendor (and employee) participation.

 

[GreyWing]

Acorn how so? Do you not think vendor participation is an unethical business practice especially a 50% rebate situation? How is it any different to him preventing you from bidding on one of your Domaincatch domains?

Godday and Snapnames do not allow vendor (and employee) participation.

Just because you say it's unethical doesn't mean it is, it merely means that you choose not to participate.

There was nothing wrong in me bidding on my own auctions when I want to take full control over it , nothing unethical. Just because Denys chose not to let people do it doesn't mean that is an admission of guilt of anything, it's just easier for him to run the site that way.

Denys makes the rules on his site, if you don't like it then make your own site which will be ultimately more succesful because you seem to know what people want. That my friend is capitalism, you see a system that can be improved and build on it then make a good living from it. Denys will not be offended to see your site start up in competition.

Foz I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove? It's quite clear what your view on it is. It's quite clear that you aren't going to use the system I'm just struggling to see what you are trying to achieve?

 

[foz]

I have a problem when conflict's on interest arise on a public platform and that said platform has an owner with no commercial or legal expertise.

As you say, I'm out but was hoping for change.

 

[retired_member9]

foz, I understand you'd like to bid on hotspot, but your strange attitude prevents you from doing so.

Let me post just one more thing before I retire from this thread.

It was never intention to create unfair auctions. I only want make it fair for everyone - for myself included.

I could run DomainCatch on absolutely different rules and charge 50% of what clients *think* the caught name is worth. Have problem with that? I don't think so.

Now consider a good domain name (like HotSpot.co.uk) is caught, but client (either honestly or dishonestly) believes it's worth £50. Okay, I take my cut and give him immediate offer to purchase domain name, for say, £200. If he doesn't sell (maybe he just loves to keep it to develop, no questions with that), but in most cases if he refuses to sell, this means he thinks it's worth more. So if I couldn't buy it from him for 400% more of his appraisal, then I won't deal with that client any further.

And I buy this name for £200, but I know it worth thousands. I won't sell it cheaper as I don't deal with resellers. End of the story.

Contrary to this scenario, I've created DomainCatch and DomainLore to offer *everyone* (including myself) pleasure to compete for domains for wholesale prices.

Now some people want to restrict me from having fun to compete with everyone. You are "hoping for change", but in fact you could only change it for worse (see above).

And please forget about the rebate. It's like unwilling to compete in the auction with someone who you know has a salary twice than yours. Which is silly.

 

[foz]

Either choose to sell or buy, you can't have it both ways. Otherwise you will have no credibility or uptake on the Domainlore platform.

 

[foz]

Foz I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove? It's quite clear what your view on it is. It's quite clear that you aren't going to use the system I'm just struggling to see what you are trying to achieve?

I don't know why your so supportive, less bidders (confidence) on Domainlore will ultimately mean less money in your pocket.

 

[GreyWing]

Mate I think Denys is right and I'll probably join him in calling this one a day. If you want to use it then do, if not then don't.

Others will make up their own minds and life will move on. I am happy with the way things stand from a buyer and sellers point of view and will use the site to do both.