'Domain Lord' - Comments?

[retired_member9]

No, as he owns it.

Does Sedo bid/buy on it's own auctions?

What prevents them? Are you aware of all their holdings, sister companies and single individuals involved?

foz is just a troll, I think there's no need to feed him in this discussion.

 

[GreyWing]

No, as he owns it.

Does Sedo bid/buy on it's own auctions?

We would never know, are domcollect seperate from sedo? does sedo staff bid under personal names? we may never know, after all we never know the bidders details.

What I would say is that Denys is upfront with everything he does and bids on.

He could easily have bid under a different user name if he had anything to hide and so could I.

Both parties found everything as agreed and I notice he didn't bid on my other auctions that he had an interest in, so he wanted this name upto a point and so did I. Just because he runs the auction I don't think he should be excluded from it, nor hide it.

 

[foz]

Just because he runs the auction I don't think he should be excluded from it

Personally both 50/50 owners shouldn't be taking part, as both have a vested interest through ownership.

If you were buying a house via auction, you wouldn't like the owner in the crowd bidding against you.

But hey, that's just my slant.

 

[keys]

I object to hidden T & C's, especially when they bite you at some future date.

In fairness, the deal with DomainLord is very clear and straightforward. It is unusual, or innovative depending on your point of view. An alternative domain auction service must be a good thing, although at this stage it is a David and Goliath situation.

Considering the bad press that "Goliath" continues to encounter, I would welcome the competition.

 

[aZooZa]

Personally both 50/50 owners shouldn't be taking part, as both have a vested interest through ownership.

If you were buying a house via auction, you wouldn't like the owner in the crowd bidding against you.

But hey, that's just my slant.

Garth,

Questioning people's reputations at every opportunity is going to make you about as popular as me for my generally outspoken and abrasive attitude.

 

[foz]

It's not reputation or personal, it's about the product and/or service being offered.

I like Denys site, easy to navigate and user friendly and I'm sure it will do well.

I am just uneasy about taking part in auctions that have the owners bidding.

I'm sure any other business or service out there would come under the same level of critique.

 

[retired_member9]

I am just uneasy about taking part in auctions that have the owners bidding.

I'm sure any other business or service out there would come under the same level of critique.

DL auction sellers can't bid in their own auctions. If you take donate.org.uk as an instance to support conclusions, then you shouldn't do it as it was first and last occasion, while auction rules are still taking the shape.

Now anyone selling domain names caught with DomainCatch will have to set up reserve price if they want to keep domain name to themselves, instead of taking part in the auction.

 

[crabfoot]

It is illegal to bid on your own lot in an auction. You can get 3 months free board and lodging at a government hotel for doing it.

The easiest way around the problem is to use someone else's identity for an online auction (like, use your wife's moniker).

There's a polite phrase for this in horseracing circles, used when the winner of a race has to be auctioned - "the winner was sold to a friendly bidder", or "the winner was the subject of a friendly claim" in a claiming race.

 

[retired_member12]

Even that is still shilling.

 

[crabfoot]

You can't call it shill bidding when the friendly bid wins - that's a friendly bid.

OTOH if the friendly bid loses, then you have to prove that it was a shill bid.

Whatever, it is difficult to avoid shill bidding, wherever you are - online, or at a real-life auction. You only have to ask a friend what he wants to bid on, then refrain from bidding on those lots, to constitute an illegal "bidding ring" - sometimes it gets really silly.

 

[foz]

Now anyone selling domain names caught with DomainCatch will have to set up reserve price if they want to keep domain name to themselves, instead of taking part in the auction.

That's good news, and I was called a troll and brought down too aZooZa's personality for bringing it up. Madness. Just common sense to bring it up.

@crabfoot. Ebay's stance:

People who know the seller – such as family members, flatmates, or employees – can't bid on that seller's items, but they can use options like Buy It Now that don't involve bidding.

Shill bidding policy

 

[retired_member9]

That's good news, and I was called a troll ....

Greywing mentioned this to you in the very beginning but you didn't pay attention and continued to speculate, making it look as if you just wanted to flame this discussion. So you don't need to take offense on that one.

 

[crabfoot]

Yes, foz, that's the official eBay line. But they do absolutely nothing to prevent shill bidding.

A few years ago I was ripped off when I bought something - it was incomplete, packed badly and arrived in pieces - and the shredded paper packaging included dust mites as a free gift. Seller just gave me insults. Because it cost less than £15, eBay and Paypal would not act in the matter. I got the £5 purchase price back from the Post Office, but it cost me £12 for p&p.

I studied his sales and found that, if something was not reaching his desired price, his wife and his sister were bidding the items up. There was a particular fishing reel that he listed four times - first time it was withdrawn as broken, then his wife bought it, then his sister bought it, then he eventually sold it to a punter after both the wife and sister had placed bids on it. In addition, there were four eBay identities that regularly bid on his stuff, but had never bought anything, although they were members for over a year or so. I reported everything to eBay - not just the obvious bidding patterns, but with names and addresses and telephone numbers (you can pick things up sometimes), and eBay's response was that the info was over one month old, so they were unable to check it out.

There's a lot more I know - lots of people use "shadow identities" to bid on their items and force the price up.

The only thing eBay has done about shill bidding is made it harder to detect, by introducing privacy procedures that prevent you identifying other bidders.

You think that's bad - try telling them that an item is misdescribed.

What eBay say is not what eBay do - and when eBay/Paypal do act on a breach of rules, the action is often unfair and one-sided.

 

[foz]

Greywing mentioned this to you in the very beginning but you didn't pay attention and continued to speculate, making it look as if you just wanted to flame this discussion. So you don't need to take offense on that one.

It wasn't crystal clear and I would think the official answer would need to be coming from yourself.

Thanks crabfoot, I realise it does/can happen, but it's good to have in the background as T.O.S..

 

[foz]

It's not speculation on my part either, you clearly state on the Domaincatch website.

but you'd rather keep the domain name to yourself, you can bid to win auction, acquiring the domain at a 50% discount (your revenue part).

 

[GreyWing]

Foz, why are you trolling?

He has clearly said what is happening, it would be clear that those were written earlier and the rules are now evolving as I have already told you and Denys has already told you.

If you are looking for an argument can I suggest you get your ar#se on nomsteer and start arguing against the drop catching changes instead of arguing silly little points with Denys system.

 

[foz]

Foz, why are you trolling?

I'm not. Has the evolving come about by me bringing it up?

 

[aZooZa]

Foz, why are you trolling?

He has clearly said what is happening, it would be clear that those were written earlier and the rules are now evolving as I have already told you and Denys has already told you.

If you are looking for an argument can I suggest you get your ar#se on nomsteer and start arguing against the drop catching changes instead of arguing silly little points with Denys system.

Exactly. Foz, go and stick your head above the trench and make a contribution towards the support of your domaining business. The flak isn't that bad. Also:

...called a troll and brought down too aZooZa's personality for bringing it up.

Who "brought you down"? I raised you up - like Westlife

Now do as suggested and go make use of yourself where it matters.

 

[foz]

My understanding was, that shill bidding is no longer allowed at DomainLore?

So why am I outbid by utterfly in the hotspot_co_uk auction?

 

[aZooZa]

My understanding was, that shill bidding is no longer allowed at DomainLore?

So why am I outbid by utterfly in the hotspot_co_uk auction?

A never-ending cessation of wonder.