Wanted: Domain .co.uk names required.

[retired_member27]

Although it's very nice to have a good generic domain i.e. "maps" for initial unique users and of course prestige, it is however ultimately not necessary. If (Google, Kelkoo, Ebay, Youtube, etc, etc) all started now, you would probably think they were crazy as all those names are quite simply crap. They have all succeeded not because of the domain name but because they offered a service that users wanted, likewise many, many, many fantastic .com domains each worth well over $100K have died a death because they offered nothing, and of course now most are completely wasted as a parked page (which if I ever land on one, I make it a rule NEVER to click on any link).

My own view on people with large domain portfolio's is good luck to them, BUT one day in the future (5 years, 10 years, 20 years, whatever) the Domain Name System will be superseded by something else, and on that day your portfolio will become worthless. It's not a question of IF but a question of WHEN this will happen, already the DNS has out lived it's technological shelf-life, and I guess in some lab somewhere a new prototype system is already in existence.

 

[retired_member6]

Although it's very nice to have a good generic domain i.e. "maps" for initial unique users and of course prestige, it is however ultimately not necessary. If (Google, Kelkoo, Ebay, Youtube, etc, etc) all started now, you would probably think they were crazy as all those names are quite simply crap. They have all succeeded not because of the domain name but because they offered a service that users wanted, likewise many, many, many fantastic .com domains each worth well over $100K have died a death because they offered nothing, and of course now most are completely wasted as a parked page (which if I ever land on one, I make it a rule NEVER to click on any link).

My own view on people with large domain portfolio's is good luck to them, BUT one day in the future (5 years, 10 years, 20 years, whatever) the Domain Name System will be superseded by something else, and on that day your portfolio will become worthless. It's not a question of IF but a question of WHEN this will happen, already the DNS has out lived it's technological shelf-life, and I guess in some lab somewhere a new prototype system is already in existence.

The trouble with that last bit is there's millions of websites that use the current system so phasing it out overnight would be impossible, maybe five or ten years, a bit like analogue to digital. And I bet when these top domainers half their prices to accommodate their future losses, they'll still sell them all.

 

[Ellis]

Edwin,

I used to own books.co.uk, flowers.co.uk, wine.co.uk and many others like this and let them lapse

The whios says you're telling porkies

 

[olebean]

Although it's very nice to have a good generic domain i.e. "maps" for initial unique users and of course prestige, it is however ultimately not necessary. If (Google, Kelkoo, Ebay, Youtube, etc, etc) all started now, you would probably think they were crazy as all those names are quite simply crap. They have all succeeded not because of the domain name but because they offered a service that users wanted, likewise many, many, many fantastic .com domains each worth well over $100K have died a death because they offered nothing, and of course now most are completely wasted as a parked page (which if I ever land on one, I make it a rule NEVER to click on any link).

APD

An interesting point, what you failed to say is that each lost hundreds of Millions before any real value was attributed and they offered a failed unique service at that point in time..

 

[static]

The whios says you're telling porkies

I didn't word it quite this way, but I'm still waiting for JR to reply to my curiosity about these three domains. A 'credibility' question.

 

[retired_member16]

and like magic, it was gone.

 

[olebean]

If you did some more digging guys you would see alot more "questionable" issues!

 

[jrowlinson]

I'll sign off for now - no reason to lie about anything. Dig all you want - there's nothing 'questionable' about anything we do. Over and out.

 

[grandin]

change our names to numbers

you said 'Domain Name System will be superseded by something else....in 10 years'

In 1000's of years have we all changed our surnames to numbers?

What a silly comment....our identities are illustrated by words, numbers or visual marks. To some degree we could move away from purely written identities but to say a domain name (identity) will not be relied upon in the forseeable future as the basis of a new system is unrealistic. It will take a good number of years to move on.....it has taken 10 years for corporates to realise that their names need to be protected as a domain name.

My biggest concern regarding a domain name is that everything is relative....500,000 visits to a website is not the same as 500,000 visits to your shop in Reading. In time the number of visits will go up but the value per a visit will go down....this is probably moving faster than we can keep up with and as such it is difficult to value domain names on the basis of traffic.

If you are thinking of selling generic names 'on the cheap' then always send me a PM as you may find I will pay 10% more (evidence of current offer will be required)

Lee

 

[static]

I'll sign off for now - no reason to lie about anything. Dig all you want - there's nothing 'questionable' about anything we do. Over and out.

John,

books.co.uk, flowers.co.uk and wine.co.uk were seemingly not previously your registrations. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of .uk whois would be able to tell this. I think it is questionable when you come on to this forum and make erroneous statements to underpin the credibility of your position about domain valuations. Bye bye.

 

[Ellis]

We are a UK company who have started writing content based websites in bulk. In the last 6 months we have written around 50 sites (Child Safety at safekids.co.uk, How to Create a Great CV at greatcvs.co.uk, Travel Safety at safetravel.co.uk etc etc).

We are intending to write 1000 sites over the next 18 months and now have the staff to do it.

Just to round this off and destroy your credibility further - all these sites are written in plain HTML.

WTF - it's 2006... and you're employing people to write this mess?

Get a grip

 

[aquanuke]

looks like coldfusion to me

 

[Ellis]

Ab'so..bloody...exactly

CFM & Tables!?!?

Back of the net!

 

[Brassneck]

Just to round this off and destroy your credibility further - all these sites are written in plain HTML.

WTF - it's 2006... and you're employing people to write this mess?

Get a grip

Just one thought - do you think anybody is likely to want to do business with anybody on this forum if this is the way we treat people?

These sites do have high Google rankings and positions in Google and are full of content. Check out "safe travel" in Google for instance. Who cares what language they are written it - if the purpose of the sites is to show decent and relevant content.


Stephen.

 

[Brassneck]

John,

books.co.uk, flowers.co.uk and wine.co.uk were seemingly not previously your registrations. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of .uk whois would be able to tell this. I think it is questionable when you come on to this forum and make erroneous statements to underpin the credibility of your position about domain valuations. Bye bye.

I've no idea whether or not John did have these - but how can you tell definitively if these were registered pre-nominet?

Stephen.

 

[Brassneck]

One further point about generics in general - I personally don't see the huge values that some talk about on here. I would be pretty scared holding out for top prices if I had a huge portfolio since you never know what's around the corner.

Anyway, interesting to look through the current top 100 sites listed on Alexa - Alexa Web Search - Top 500 - hardly a 'generic' name listed?

Does anybody have a list of really big generic .co.uk domain sales recently. How many have sold for more than, say, £5k?

Stephen.

 

[Ellis]

These sites do have high Google rankings and positions in Google and are full of content. Check out "safe travel" in Google for instance. Who cares what language they are written it - if the purpose of the sites is to show decent and relevant content.


Stephen.

That's exactly the point everyone's been trying to make.

Try "safe & travel" and see where the site appears.

 

[Brassneck]

That's exactly the point everyone's been trying to make.

Try "safe & travel" and see where the site appears.

Does anything appear if you type that into Google?

Stephen.

 

[static]

I've no idea whether or not John did have these - but how can you tell definitively if these were registered pre-nominet?

Stephen.

Hi Stephen

If you can't tell what is and what isn't a pre nom from looking at the whois data you need to go back to domain school for a refresher lesson or two. For the record I said in my first post on this thread that flowers and wine were pre noms and books was a nom reg from August 1996. JR said he allowed all three to LAPSE. How was that possible vis a vis the whois data? If you can explain it I would be more than happy to apologies to JR for doubting him and beg him to come back to Acorn with his spending money. You can always get in touch with him privately at pts.com - an entirely empirical analysis

 

[static]

One further point about generics in general - I personally don't see the huge values that some talk about on here. I would be pretty scared holding out for top prices if I had a huge portfolio since you never know what's around the corner.

Anyway, interesting to look through the current top 100 sites listed on Alexa - Alexa Web Search - Top 500 - hardly a 'generic' name listed?

Does anybody have a list of really big generic .co.uk domain sales recently. How many have sold for more than, say, £5k?

Stephen.

Diversification is the ultimate investment strategy to guard against any one market collapsing. Never put all your eggs in one basket, and never always be invested. Get in , get out - timing is the key.